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Post by grigoryev on May 4, 2017 10:56:20 GMT -5
Hello. I had a hypothesis about the sub-band Night Cloud Mahpia Hanhepi. When the Bad Faces organized as a large, maximal band (in 1849?), Standing Bull shifted the Cowrie Shell Earrings over to that band. Perhaps, with him went a small part of his group, but most of the group did not go with him and retained their name. His followers formed a new tiyospaye, which was called the Night Cloud. A similar example was also of Bad Faces. How do you like this version?
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Post by grigoryev on May 3, 2017 13:25:38 GMT -5
Susu-ikitchun.This was I propose a single tiyospaye of 65-100 people (about 10 lodges) before 1835, focussed on the elder Eats Buffalo Meat. From an accident this man lost his testicles, and so his following was given the name Susu-ikitchun. He is noted in an 1831 fur trade document as The Mashed Testicles, included in a list of Miniconjou headmen. In 1835 it joined the Oyuhpe movement to attend the Oglala Sun Dance. En route it attracted adherents including Lone Bull, the 'brother' of Eats Buffalo Meat's younger kinsman Charging Hawk; I believe Lone Bull had been living in the Shiyo band as its head soldier, but that band decided not to attend the Oglala ceremony - it went east to the Missouri. Lone Bull took the opportunity to return with a small following to his own natal band. Also Crazy Ghost, the son of Charging Hawk, who had been living in the Hunkpatila band of Oglala, chose to rejoin the Susu-ikitchun about the same time -- again bringing a few lodges with him. These additions to the Susu-ikitchun helped it grow two new tiyospaye, focussed on the leadership of (a) Charging Hawk and (b) his brother-in-law Iwayusota. So it numbered up to 200 people after these accessions, about 25 lodges. Hello Kingsley. Donald Collier - Oglala Field Notes - Box 72, Folder 5 "... Frank Goings aged 68 Eagle Elk aged 87; father named Long Wirlwind. Belonged to the oyukhpe camp Another names was susuikiktsula (the ones who castrate themselves), after inf’s GF, who lost his testicles in an accident... The following Oglala chiefs had camp followings: 1. Wolf Necklace 2. Fains Sleep 3. Bow Legs 4. Yellow Hair 5. Lives Alone 6. Owns a Beat 7. Itching 8. Eats Buffalo Meat (FF of informant) nephews (?) 9. Charging hawk: with him were his two Gets Along Well and Tripe, his son Crazy Ghost and Long Whirlwind (F of informant) 10. Oyuxpe catka (left hand oyuxpe) 11. Singer 12. Enter a Virgin 13. Iwayusota, his son – Roach 14. Red Willow. Married a wazaza woman and went over there. His son Guts remained in Charging Hawk’s camp 15. Heart Man (Dirt on his nose) 16. White Plume; his son Big Road 17. Lone Horn Camp of Charging Hawk Susu-ikitchun tiyospaye № Names Relationship 1 Charging Hawk–chief 2 Gets Along Well BS (?) of #1, his father was Money? 3 Tripe B of #2 4 Crazy Ghost B of #2 5 Long Whirlwind some sort of cousin of #1, whom he called “F” 6 Wistasu WBS of #1, his father was Iwayusota 7 Covers his Head WBS of #1, his father was Iwayusota 8 Bark WBS of #1, his father was Iwayusota 9 Roach WBS of #1, his father was Iwayusota 10 Kills First (Yellow Blanket) S of #2 11 Non Dress cousin of #1 12 thingy B of #11 13 Yellow Hair B of #11 14 girl thingy all alike cousin of #1, 10-12 15 Among called #1 “B”, relation? 16 Spring his Legs called #1 “F”, relation? His F was Lone Buffalo 17 Guts called #1 “F”, relation? his F was Red Willow, who married into wazaza camp 18 Little Boy called #1 “F”, relation? His F was Smells. Little Boy married a woman in the Loafer camp, whose chief was Big Mouth and went to live there 19 Few Tails S of #7, WBSS of #1 20 White Horse cousin of #1 21 Capt. John Lone Dog cousin of #1 When Charging Hawk died his cousin Yellow Hair became chief of the camp. ..." Are you sure that Crazy Ghost, was son of Charging Hawk, but not "son"? To which bands belong the 17 leaders represented in this description? I think, for example: 4, 8, 9, 13,14 - Susu-ikitchun 10, 11, 12, 16 -Oyuhpe-hcka Thank you
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Post by grigoryev on May 3, 2017 12:50:17 GMT -5
Here is an update with new information on Standing Bull III (c. 1805-1861): Standing Bull III. The third Standing Bull was an active leader in the 1840s and 1850s. He was the hereditary leader of the Wamnuha-owin (Cowrie Shell Earrings) sub-band of the True Oglala band. He was presumably born somewhere in the timeframe c. 1800-1810. Unlike his father, who shifted south to the Kiyuksa band after he retired from the chieftainship in 1838, he seems to have stayed among the Oglala who ranged north of the North Platte river. Two of his wives were Short Woman, born c. 1816, and Painted Rock, born c. 1831 – both women still alive at Pine Ridge in 1886 and living in the household of their son Standing Bull IV. Thanks to Ephriam, we have a St. Louis newspaper reference to Standing Bull III from 1844, in which he is named as one of the Lakota war leaders engaged in hostilities against the Pawnees during winter 1843-44. He was still an active war leader at this stage. In 1845 at the Oglala Sun Dance he was one of the new intake of members inducted into the Bull Headdress Wearers’ society, to which the chiefs belonged. The society then acclaimed him as a civil leader, the main chief or wichasha itanchan in the True Oglala band. Standing Bull drew closer to Smoke’s Bad Face group, after they moved north following the killing of the Kiyuksa chief Bull Bear. Through the 1840s the two bands gradually merged together. When the Bad Faces organized as a large, maximal band (in 1849?), Standing Bull shifted the Cowrie Shell Earrings over to that band. Alex Adams noted him as one of four Bad Face Deciders in the 1850s – the others being Smoke, White Hawk, and Brave Bear (aka Shot in the Face). Smoke and Standing Bull would have been classificatory ‘brothers’ through the Parts of Body connection, Smoke being the elder by some years. Standing Bull III was rated by Thaddeus Culbertson as an Oglala chief in 1850, aligned with an otherwise unreported band, the Night Cloud. Possibly this was another name for his sub-division of the True Oglala. He was met by Agent Thomas S. Twiss in 1855, when he presented the new agent with "one garnished Robe, and one garnished pair of leggins." 'Garnished' refers to decoration with quillworked bands. In return Twiss gave Standing Bull "Ten Blankets, and other articles in proportion", goods allegedly siphoned off the Indian annuity goods. In spring 1856 the Oglala chiefs' council met at the demand of General Harney to nominate a tribal head chief and nine 'sub chiefs'. Standing Bull was one of these so-called 'sub chiefs', who travelled to counsel with Harney at Ft Pierre on April 19th. His last namecheck is in Twiss’s September 1858 report bearing on annuity goods under the Treaty of 1851. Old Man Afraid of His Horse, Smoke, Standing Bull, and Yellow Eagle (Hunkpatila chief) signed a document requesting certain changes in the goods supplied. No further contemporary records known to me mention Standing Bull III. However winter count information asserts that he died, from an unknown sickness, in 1861. Hello Kingsley. Today, I read your posts about of Oyuhpe distribution 1835-1845. There were a few questions. One of them, is connected with the family of the Standing Bull. Analyzing your posts about Standing Bulls 1-4, I had the following hypothesis. In your list of Oglala band 1805, the family of the Standing Bull is listed as part of Hunkpatila. However, in all your posts, it seems that this family was among the True Oglalas. Only after marriage to the family of Makes The Song, they become a sub-band of Hunkpatila. I'm mistaken?
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Post by grigoryev on May 31, 2016 13:39:51 GMT -5
Hello! Francis Parkman, The Oregon Trail "Mato-Tatonka was a hero. No leader could not compete with him in military glory and power over his people. He had a fearless spirit, and the impetuous and indomitable will. His wish was law. He was prudent and shrewd, he was always supportive of white, well knowing that could have great benefits for themselves and their supporters. When he had to make a decision, he gathered the soldiers and listened to their arguments, and then quietly announced their own solution that no one has ever challenged. The consequences of the failure of his imperious desires were too great. Woe to those who aroused his anger! He could hit it, or kill on the spot; and this act, performed by any other leader, immediately would cost him his life; the fear, told his name, let him repeat it with impunity again and again. In a community where, from immemorial time, no man has acknowledged any law but their own desires, Mato-Tatonka, the strength of his fearless decision, raised himself to the heights of almost despotic power. His haughty career finally came to an end. He had enemies eager for revenge, and our old friend, Smoke, together with his kinsmen, hated him most of all. Once the Smoke was sitting in his tent in the middle of your village when Mato-Tatonka arrived there alone, and, approaching his dwelling, addressed him in a loud voice, inviting me to go out if it was a man, and fight. The smoke didn't move. Then Matho-Tatanka declared him a coward and a woman, and, approaching the entrance to the tent, they killed the best horse of the leader, which was tied at the entrance. Smoke was daunted, and even this insult failed to call him out. Mato-Tatonka arrogantly left; but the day of reckoning was near. One hot day, five or six years ago, numerous tents relatives Smoke gathered around people of the Fur Company, who traded a variety of goods, including whiskey. Mato-Tatonka was also there with a few guys. As he lay in his own tent, a fight broke out between his supporters and relatives of his enemy. He heard a war cry, the whistling of bullets and arrows, the whole camp was in confusion. The leader rushed out of the tent, calling for fighting to stop the collision. The time for the attack was pre-selected; as soon as the signal was given from two or three rifles rang out the string of a dozen bows, and the savage hero, mortally wounded, fell to the ground. A great noise arose, and did not stop until several people were not killed on both sides. When we were in the country, the feud between these two families still hanging over them, and is unlikely to stop soon. Died of Mato-Tatonka, but he left an army of descendants, to perpetuate his glory and to avenge his fate. Besides daughters he had thirty sons. We have seen many of them marked with the same dark complexion and the same peculiar cast of mind. Of them, our visitor, a young matou-Tatonka, was the oldest, and some said of him that he surpassed his father. Although he was not yet twenty-one years, he scored many strikes on the enemy, and stolen more horses and more squaws than any young man in the village. We, the people of the civilized world, are not inclined to lavish praise such acts; but horse stealing is considered an art in the prairies, and various types of robbery are considered equally commendable. Anyone can steal a Squaw, and if you want, later I can make an adequate present to her rightful owner. The husband is satisfied, his vengeance is tamed, and any danger is averted, but the glory is lost. Mato-Tatanka continued this gallant and changeable custom. Several dozen squaws whom he had stolen, he never paid, and only the snap of the fingers the face of the offended husband challenged his indignation. No one dared to raise even a finger. He followed in the footsteps of his father. Young people and young Squaw admired him. They always followed him to war, and respected him, not trying to compete with his charisma. Perhaps his impunity may excite some surprise. The flight of the arrow from the valley, blow in the dark, does not require great virtue, and especially suited to the Indian genius; but Mato-Tatonka had a strong protection. It was not only his bravery and courage, which enabled him to rise among their comrades. His enemies did not forget that he was one of thirty warlike brethren. If someone decides to give vent to his anger against him, many keen eyes and many cruel hearts would thirst for his blood. Revenge, like a dog, would chase him everywhere. To kill Mato-Tatonka is like to commit suicide. Although he had such support, he was not a dandy. As among us, such people are simple in manners and attire. Our young friend was indifferent to the gaudy attributes and ornaments of his companions. He was satisfied with the success of their own military advantages. He never dressed up in a bright blanket and didn't wear glitzy necklaces. His voice was especially deep and strong. It sounded from his chest like deep sounds of the organ. Still, in the end, he was only an Indian. Look at him when he lies in the sun before our tent, with your feet up and exchanging jokes with his brother. He's like a hero? Look at him in the hour of glory, when at sunset the whole village gathered to look at him because the next day their pet will be released against the enemy. Its superb headdress is decorated with the crest feather of a war eagle. His round white shield hangs at the breast, and the feathers radiate from the center, resembling a star. His quiver hangs on his back; a long spear in his hand, the iron tip flashing in the sun, while long strands of scalps his enemies tremble on the staff. Gorgeous champion circles around the tents, gracefully balancing on the military horse, and singing a song to the Great Spirit. Envious young warriors look askance at him, red-cheeked girls gaze in admiration, boys cries and the cries of the old women proclaim his name and spread praise from tent to tent. Mato-Tatonka was the best of all our Indian friends. Hour after hour and day after day, when swarms of savages of all ages and sexes surrounded our camp, he lay in our tent, his lynx eye guarding our property. ...One morning we were summoned to the tent of the old man, hateful Nestor of his tribe. We found him collapsed on the pile of Buffalo skins; his long hair, even now were black as coal, although he saw approximately eighty winters. Anybody that knows the Indians and their homes are hardly going to believe me when I say that the dignity and self-control etched on his face. His gaunt but symmetrical figure, not so clearly showed the remnants of the old forces, how his dark, tired features, outstanding and impressive, with the imprint of mental energy. When I saw it, it reminded me of an eloquent metaphor of the Iroquois Shema: "I'm an old Hemlock; the winds of a hundred winters swept through my branches, and I'm dead upstairs!" Opposite the Patriarch was his nephew – the young pretender – Mato-Tatonka; besides these, in the tent were still one or two women. The story of the old man is very interesting, and illustrates the superstitious traditions that prevail among many Indian tribes. He was a member of one of the powerful families, known for their warlike acts. When he was young, it was a rite, which most of the tribes carried out before the entry into adulthood. He painted the face with black paint; then, having found a cave in an isolated part of the black hills, he lay for several days, fasting and seeking the Great Spirit. In dreams and visions, caused by his weakened state, he imagined that he saw a supernatural discovery. Again and again the antelope appeared before him. Antelope – the spirit world Ogallala; very rarely this gentle visitor is introduced during lent for young people. Grizzly, the deity of war, is usually eager for military exploits and glory. Antelope spoke. She told the young dreamer that he should not follow the path of war; that a life of peace and tranquility was scheduled for him; henceforth, he was to lead the people, advising and protecting them from harm, their own hostility and disagreement. Others should obtain the glory of fighting the enemy; but greatness of a different kind was intended for him. The vision that appeared during this period, usually determine the whole course of the life of the dreamer, with which the Indian is bound by iron superstitions. Since that time, the one-eyed (Le Borgne), the only name by which we knew him, left all thoughts of war and devoted himself to the forces of the world. He spoke about the vision of the people. They honored and respected him in this new incarnation."
In the text it is mentioned that Bull Bear had 30 sons. Parkman is wrong? Or is he right?
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Post by grigoryev on Feb 8, 2016 16:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by grigoryev on Feb 8, 2016 13:48:51 GMT -5
Hello. Kingsley you were right about Low Dog's band. I found the following comments to the Roster of Big Road The original drawings were made on a single sheet of paper (13 x 17 inches) black and colored pencils, and a few pieces of yellow ocher - watercolors. On each of the seven plates, which are separated from the original edition of the process conditions, the first figure in the upper left corner is allegedly the leader of a group, or perhaps the "family" in the Indian sense. On five plates leader is in front of a decorated tube and bag, figures which differ from each other. On plates LIV and LV left upper figure does not have the pipes, which implies a suspicion reverse for information is still considered proper that all the figures from 11 to 45 inclusive on plates LIII, LIV and LV, form one group under the leadership of the leader namely No.11. In this case, Nos.23 and 36 minor divisions are leaders of this group. Each of the five leaders has at least three transverse strips of various kinds on the cheek. Note that each figure on the plates, which keeps the front of a battle mace, decorated with three red horizontal stripes, and at No.30 and No.48 plate LIV on plate LVI has three lanes, but do not have a club. Other male figures in some cases, have a red band, in other - two bands, red and blue, but drawn so neotchёtlivo that cause uncertainty. It is also noted that in four cases (Nos.14, 44, 45 and 72), women are portrayed as survivors of the heads of families. Their images have no transverse bands on the cheek. And yet, the five leaders are not combat maces, their rank shows the tube and bag. Those men who have a club in his hand fighting, they held vertically in front of you, have to his credit a number of military campaigns (in accordance with a similar custom among the other branches Dakota nation in which, however, instead of holding the handset a club). In addition there is another source: www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1883-pictograph-27-twelve-oglala-sioux-sub
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Post by grigoryev on Feb 7, 2016 10:50:03 GMT -5
Red-Cloud’s Census by G.Mallery Graphic census , plates LIX - LXXIX, it was prepared under the leadership of Red Cloud , Dakota agency leader in Pine Ridge, Dakota Territory, about two years ago . These people were supporters of Red Cloud , but did not represent all the Indians of this agency . For some reason the agent refused to recognize this leader the head of the agency and the Indians called another official leader. Red Cloud Indians showed his loyalty by signing on seven sheets of plain manila paper , which had been sent to Washington
"Red-Cloud's" band [more other chiefs] 1. Chief Red-Cloud 2. Top-Man 3. Slow-Bear 4. He-Dog 5. Little Chief 6. Red-Shirt 7. White-Hawk 8. Cloud-Shield 9. Good-Weasel 10. Afraid-Eagle
"Red-Cloud's" band [Ite Sica?] 11. Bear-Brains 12. War-Bonnet 13. Little-Soldier 14. Little-Dog 15. Call-for 16. Short-Bull 17. White-Bird 18. Painted-Face 19. Iron-Beaver 20. Big-Leggings 21. Only-Man 22. Mad-Hearted-Bull 23. Running-Eagle 24. Ring-Cloud 25. White-Bird 26. Arapaho
"Red-Cloud's" band [Ite Sica?] 27. Steals-Horses 28. Kills-by-the-Camp 29. Iron-Hawk 30. Knock-a-Hole-in-the-Head 31. Runs-around 32. Kills-in-tight-place 33. Scratch-the-Belly 34. Singer 35. Walking-Bull-Track 36. War-Eagle 37. Tree-in-the-Face 38. Kills-the-Enemy-at-Night 39. Wears-the-Bonnet 40. War-Bonnet 41. Shot-in-front-the-Lodge 42. Kills-in-Lodge 43. Kills-at-Night 44. Tall-White-Man 45. Strike-First 46. Smoking-Bear
"Red-Cloud's" band [Ite Sica? more other band - Payabya, Wagluhke] 47. Hump 48. Shot-Close 49. Blue-Horse 50. Red-Elk 51. Only-Man 52. Bear-comes-out 53. Poor-Elk 54. Blue-Handle 55. Bad-Yellow-Hair 56. Runs-by-the-Enemy 57. Torn-Belly 58. Roman-Nose 59. Old-Cloud 60. High-Cloud 61. Bear-Looks-Back
"Red-Cloud's" band [Ite Sica?] 62. Shield-Bear 63. Sees-the-Enemy 64. Biting-Bear 65. Cut-Through 66. Red-Owl 67. Good-Bird 68. Red-Fly 69. Kills-Enemy-at-Night 70. Flat-Iron 71. White-Horse 72. Cheyenne-Butcher 73. Red-Eagle 74. Kills-Back 75. Red-Bear
"Red-Cloud's" band [Ite Sica?] 76. Poor-Bear 77. Runs-off-the-Horse 78. Bald-Eagle 79. Shot-at 80. Little-Ring 81. Runs-off-the-Horses 82. Hard-Ground 83. Shot-at-his-Horse 84. Red-Deer 85. Yellow-Fox 86. Feather-on-his-head 87. Little-Bear 88. Spotted-Horse 89. Takes-the-Gun 90. Spotted-Face 91. Got-there-first 92. Leaves 93. Big-Voice 94. Poor-Dog
"Red-Cloud's" band 95. Goes-through-the-Camp 96. Big-Road 97. Brings-Lots-of-Horses 98. Little-Shell 99. Gap 100. Fills-the-Pipe 101. Lodge-Roll 102. Red-Bull 103. Runs-his-Horse 104. Licks-with-his-tongue 105. Old-Horse 106. Tracks 107. Bob-tail-Horse 108. White-Elk 109. Little-Sun 110. Keeps-the-Battle 111. High-Cloud 112. Bone-Necklace 113. Goes-Walking 114. Iron-Horse 115. Blue-Hatchet
"Red-Cloud's" band 116. Eagle-Bird 117. Iron-Bird 118. Long-Panther 119. Bull-Lance 120. Black-Horse 121. Pook-Skunk 122. Own-the-Arrows 123. Shot 124. Red-Boy 125. Bear-Head 126. Hard 127. Eagle-Horse 128. Blue-Bird 129. Good-Bird 130. Caught-the-Enemy
"Red-Shirt's" band [Wagluhe?] 131. Leafing 132. Horned-Horse 133. White-Whirlwind 134. Wolf-Ear 135. Afraid-of-Elk 136. Feathers 137. Tall-Man 138. Elk-Head 139. Ring-Owl 140. Standing-Bear 141. Small-Ring 142. Charging-Hawk 143. Afraid-of-Bull 144. Medicine-Horse 145. Two-Eagle 146. Red-Shirt 147. Bear-Nostrils 148. Spotted-Horse 149. Afraid-of-Bear
"Red-Shirt's" band [Wagluhe?] 150. Little-Bull 151. Red-Hawk 152. Bear-Paw 153. Eagle-Horse 154. Red-Beaver 155. Spotted-Eagle 156. Little-Crow 157. Black-Horse 158. Mouse 159. Count-the-Night 160. White-Eagle 161. Five-Thunders 162. White-Horse
"Red-Shirt's" band [Wagluhe?] 163. Killed-First 164. Scout 165. Yellow-Horse 166. Charge-After 167. Black-Bear 168. Kills-the-Enemy 169. Wolf-stands on-a-Hill 170. Eagle-Bear 171. Little-Wolf 172. Spotted-Elk 173. Elk-walking-with-his-Voice 174. Weasel-Bear
"Black-Deer's" band 175. Black-Elk 176. Takes-Enemy 177. Poor-Bull 178. Eagle-Elk 179. Thunder-Pipe 180. Horse-comes-out 181. Old-Mexican 182. Shield 183. Keeps-the-Battle 184. Wolf-stands-on-Hill 185. Bear-comes-out
"Black-Deer's" band 186. Good-Bull 187. Fog 188. Bear-that-growls 189. Drags-the-rope 190. White-Tail 191. Feathers 192. Fighting-Cuss 193. Horned-Horse 194. Enemies-hit-him 195. Black-Bear 196. Red-War-Bonnet
"Black-Deer's" band 197. Black-Weasel 198. Smokes-at-Night 199. Little-Cloud 200. Good-Bull 201. Medicine 202. Stone-Necklace 203. Bad-Horn 204. High-Eagle 205. Black-Bull 206. Man-with-heart 207. Little-Ring 208. Goes-in-Front 209. Little-Fighter 210. Mean-Boy
"Red-Hawk's" band [one of band Oyuhpe?] 211. Red-Hawk 212. White-Bear 213. Many-Shells 214. Yellow-Knife 215. Crazy-Head 216. Shoots-the-Animal 217. Kills-Two 218. Fast-Horse 219. Big-Turnip 220. Yellow-Owl 221. Red-Bull 222. Garter
"Red-Hawk's" band [one of band Oyuhpe?] 223. Black-Fox 224. Kills-two 225. Grasp 226. Medicine 227. Leaves 228. Big-Hand 229. Gun 230. Bad-Boy 231. Warrior 232. Afraid-of-Him 233. Cloud-Ring 234. Kills-the-Bear 235. Comes-in-Sight
"High-Wolf's" band [Payabya?] 236. Sits-like-a-Woman 237. Surrounds-them 238. High-Bear 239. Don’t-turn 240. Black-Bird 241. Swallow 242. Little-Elk 243. Little-Bird 244. Bear-Back
"High-Wolf's" band [Payabya?] 245. Little-Back 246. Buffalo-Horn 247. Iron-Bird 248. Bull 249. Eagle-Track 250. Medicine-Bird 251. Fox 252. White-Bear 253. Tall-Panther
"Gun's" band 254. Gun 255. Ring 256. Beads 257. Wolf 258. Black-Horse 259. White-Horse 260. Spotted-Owl 261. Don’t-turn 262. Red-Star 263. Big-Voiced-Eagle 264. White-Elk 265. Porcupine
"Gun's" Band 266. Noon 267. Warrior 268. Eagle-Feather 269. Round 270. Big-Thunder 271. Shot-His-Horse 272. Red-Bear 273. Little-Moon 274. Feather-Necklace 275. Fast-Elk - Быстрый-Лось 276. Black-Bull - Чёрный-Бык 277. Light - Свет
"Second Black-Deer's" band 278. Black-Deer 279. White-Cow-Man 280. Horse-the-Clothing 281. Stabber 282. Eagle-Swallow 283. Afraid-of-him 284. Red-Boy 285. Dog-with-good-voice 286. Tall-Pine 287. Pipe 288. Few-Tails 289. Medicine-man
There is split by tiyospaye or is it random ? Some groups have repeated several times - such as Red Cloud's band, Red Shirt's band etc.
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Post by grigoryev on Feb 7, 2016 9:24:22 GMT -5
Hello In view of your answer , I think it will be something like
Big-Road and Band [True Oyuhpe] 1. Big-road. 2. Bear-looking-behind. 3. Brings-back-plenty. 4. White buffalo. 5. The-real-hawk. 6. Shield-boy. 7. The-bear-stops. 8. Wears-the-feather. 9. Dog-eagle. 10. Red-horn-bull.
Low-Dog and Band [True Oyuhpe or Susu-ikitchu???]
11. Low-dog. 12. Charging-hawk. 13. White-tail. 14. Blue-cloud (woman). 15. Shield. 16. Little-eagle. 17. Spotted-skunk. 18. White-bear. 19. White-hair. 20. His-fight. 21. Center-feather. 22. Kills-Crows (Indians).
The-Bear-Spares-Him and Band [True Oyuhpe???] 23. The-bear-spares-him. 24. White-plume. 25. Fears-nothing. 26. Red-crow. 27. The-last-bear. 28. Bird-man. 29. Horse-with-horns. 30. Fast-elk. 31. Chief-boy. 32. Spotted-elk. 33. Carries-the-badger. 34. Red-earth-woman. 35. Eagle-clothing.
Has-a-War-Club and Band [Hunkpatilla???] 36. Has-a-war-club. 37. Little-buffalo. 38. Has-a-point (weapon). 39. Returning-scout. 40. Little-killer. 41. Whistler. 42. Tongue. 43. Black-elk. 44. Lone-Woman. 45. Deaf-woman.
Long-Dog and Band [correctly He Dog: Sore Backs band]
46. Long-dog. 47. Iron-hawk. 48. Pretty-weasel. 49. Short-buffalo. 50. Bull-with-bad-heart. 51. Four crows. 52. Tall-white-man. 53. Eagle-hawk. 54. Lone-man. 55. Causes-trouble-ahead. 56. Makes-dirt ("foul"). 57. Black-road. 58. Shot-close.
Iron-Crow and Band [mix of Hunkpatila and Oyuhpe?]
59. Iron-crow. 60. Running-horse. 61. Owns-an-animal-with horns. 62. Blue-cloud-man. 63. Fingers. 64. Sacred-teeth. 65. Searching-cloud. 66. Female-elk-boy. 67. Little-owl. 68. Pretty-horse. 69. Running-eagle. 70. Makes-enemy. 71. Prairie-chicken. 72. Red-flute-woman.
Little-Hawk and Band [Hunkpatila, Night Cloud- Mahpia Hanhepi]
73. Little-hawk. 74. Standing-buffalo. 75. Standing-bear. 76. Iron-white man. 77. Bear whirlwind. 78. Sacred crow. 79. Blue-hawk. 80. Hard-to-kill. 81. Iron-boy. 82. Painted-rock. 83. Yellow-wolf. 84. Made-an enemy.
Or I'm wrong?
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Post by grigoryev on Feb 5, 2016 14:47:12 GMT -5
Hello There is a question about Oglala Roster of 1883. I remind its composition. Big-Road and Band 1. Big-road. 2. Bear-looking-behind. 3. Brings-back-plenty. 4. White buffalo. 5. The-real-hawk. 6. Shield-boy. 7. The-bear-stops. 8. Wears-the-feather. 9. Dog-eagle. 10. Red-horn-bull. Low-Dog and Band 11. Low-dog. 12. Charging-hawk. 13. White-tail. 14. Blue-cloud (woman). 15. Shield. 16. Little-eagle. 17. Spotted-skunk. 18. White-bear. 19. White-hair. 20. His-fight. 21. Center-feather. 22. Kills-Crows (Indians). The-Bear-Spares-Him and Band 23. The-bear-spares-him. 24. White-plume. 25. Fears-nothing. 26. Red-crow. 27. The-last-bear. 28. Bird-man. 29. Horse-with-horns. 30. Fast-elk. 31. Chief-boy. 32. Spotted-elk. 33. Carries-the-badger. 34. Red-earth-woman. 35. Eagle-clothing. Has-a-War-Club and Band 36. Has-a-war-club. 37. Little-buffalo. 38. Has-a-point (weapon). 39. Returning-scout. 40. Little-killer. 41. Whistler. 42. Tongue. 43. Black-elk. 44. Lone-Woman. 45. Deaf-woman. Long-Dog and Band 46. Long-dog. 47. Iron-hawk. 48. Pretty-weasel. 49. Short-buffalo. 50. Bull-with-bad-heart. 51. Four crows. 52. Tall-white-man. 53. Eagle-hawk. 54. Lone-man. 55. Causes-trouble-ahead. 56. Makes-dirt ("foul"). 57. Black-road. 58. Shot-close. Iron-Crow and Band 59. Iron-crow. 60. Running-horse. 61. Owns-an-animal-with horns. 62. Blue-cloud-man. 63. Fingers. 64. Sacred-teeth. 65. Searching-cloud. 66. Female-elk-boy. 67. Little-owl. 68. Pretty-horse. 69. Running-eagle. 70. Makes-enemy. 71. Prairie-chicken. 72. Red-flute-woman. Little-Hawk and Band 73. Little-hawk. 74. Standing-buffalo. 75. Standing-bear. 76. Iron-white man. 77. Bear whirlwind. 78. Sacred crow. 79. Blue-hawk. 80. Hard-to-kill. 81. Iron-boy. 82. Painted-rock. 83. Yellow-wolf. 84. Made-an enemy. It lists only group Oyukpe ? Although the list includes a group of Little-hawk, which refers to Hunkpatilam . Dear Kingsley and other participants of the forum , do not help to identify the names of the groups ? Thanks
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Post by grigoryev on Oct 26, 2015 22:53:29 GMT -5
Thank you.
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Post by grigoryev on Oct 26, 2015 13:35:12 GMT -5
Hello One of famous leaders Hunkpatila was Yellow Eagle . However, his family is not usually mentioned. Dear experts, do you have any information on the following issues: Who was his father? Who was his brothers / sisters, and how many children he had.
Thank you
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Post by grigoryev on Sept 29, 2015 14:39:33 GMT -5
Considering the closest connection with the different bands minikonzhu, is this group came because of ancestral band, the Hohwozhu, where there is a band of the same name?
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Post by grigoryev on Sept 29, 2015 14:19:26 GMT -5
Hello I propose to gather information about this group. Dear Kingsley have mentioned it in the distribution of the northern Oglala 1868, in particular bad Faces (Lodge 80):
Chasing Cat (Shikshichela) 15 lodges
Is there still any information about this tiyospaye?
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Post by grigoryev on Sept 28, 2015 17:03:16 GMT -5
Thanks.
I just really liked the way you did the layout of the main groups of Oglala, starting from 1804, after 183x, south Oglala 1845, northern Oglala 1868. An interest supplement the information on the members of these groups.
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Post by grigoryev on Sept 28, 2015 16:18:38 GMT -5
Hello. As previously reported by Kingsley, Sitting Bear (and American Horse) tiyoshpaye moved n. from Southern Oglala c. 1858-59. In 1868 there were two tiyospaye: Sitting Bear 20 lodges American Horse 10 lodges
Is there any other information on the Bear clan. Who else but family sitting bear was a member. And about the very family of Sitting Bear - who was among his children (except for the American Horse II)?
Thank you in advance.
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