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Post by grigoryev on Sept 28, 2015 16:08:24 GMT -5
Thanks for information, Kingsley
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Post by grigoryev on Sept 28, 2015 14:55:44 GMT -5
Hello. Were there any brothers or sisters from the Yellow Thunder? And if you were, whether there are any data about their families? Iglaka Tehila, Refuse to Move Camp in 1868 were divided into two groups - Iglaka Tehila, Refuse to Move Camp (10 lodges) and tiyospaye Little Big Man (10 Lodges). So there was a large core - several brothers Yellow Thunder, who have formed a large group, divide in half. Or I'm wrong?
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Post by grigoryev on Sept 26, 2015 6:44:26 GMT -5
Hello. Here's what I know about this leader.
Whistler (1833-1873). Also named Little Bull.
His son: Bird's Head Moses Whistler (1873-) Old Chicken (1873)
his brother: Man Above. The Dog that looks around. The one that does not come to the lodge.
Two Lance. Half-brother of Whistler (he and his family appear in the 1890 census of the Orphan band, Wounded Knee Dist)
Whistler, according to Lone Bull , married a Kuhinyan girl (daughter of Bearskin Robe) His nephews: - 'Iron Horse', 'Blue War Club', 'Bull Robe' and 'Bear-in-the-Woods.'
Whistler was killed in 1873 by white hunters.
Can someone add information about Whistler, his family, his brothers and their families. For example, who is father His nephews: - 'Iron Horse', 'Blue War Club', 'Bull Robe' and 'Bear-in-the-Woods.'
Thank you for your help
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Oyuhpe
Jul 6, 2015 14:58:26 GMT -5
Post by grigoryev on Jul 6, 2015 14:58:26 GMT -5
hello He started to do the distribution of tiyospaye. That is that there are • Susu-ikitchu Charging Hawk (CH). His son’s: - Root Horn
- Kills Above
- Kills Chief
Money (Brother of Charging Hawk): - Kills First (Yellow Blanket)
- Plenty Lice
- Elk Batter snake
- Skill smells tiember
- Hollow Horn
Eats Buffalo Meat (Kills Bear). Brother father of Charging Hawk - Long Whirlwind
- R. of the Mouth
XXX. Brother father Charging Hawk. His son’s: - Non Dress
- thingy
- Yellow Hair
XXX. Brother father Charging Hawk. His son’s: Iwayusota, Used Up By the Mouth. Married sister of CH. His son: - Roach
- Bark
- Wistasu
- Covers his Head
Yellow Thigh. Brother wife Long Whirlwind Brother second wife Long Whirlwind: - Eagle Elk
- Walking Elk
- Running Hawk
- Lone Man
- Red Crow
Lone Buffalo - Spring his Legs. “son” of Charging Hawk
Red Willow - Guts. “son” of Charging Hawk
Smells - Little Boy. “son” of Charging Hawk
I am waiting for comments and additions. thanks in advance
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Calico
Jul 6, 2015 14:15:09 GMT -5
Post by grigoryev on Jul 6, 2015 14:15:09 GMT -5
Hello.
I started to make the grouping. That is what is done by Tapislecha. D. Tapislecha • Skokpa Pawnee Killer (1826 - ), His sons: Allen Pawnee Killer+ b. 1874
Long Bear. Brother of Pawnee Killer. His sons: Yellow Bear I Black Hawk???
Running Enemy. Brother of Pawnee Killer. His son: Yellow Bear II Mato Gi (c1844-1913) Later married two D’s of Zola (Whistler) Imitates Dog (Sunka Onca)
Togi’toua (Lying for Enemy). His father from siseton
Red Horse. BinL of Pawnee Killer
Weasel Bear. BinL of Pawnee Killer
Father of Yellow Hawk???. His son’s: Yellow Hawk. BinL of Yellow Bear, BSinL of Pawnee Killer Black Eyes Paint Red Wolf Soldier
Black Hawk (an akichita in period 1835-50), his son: Xxx
Red Willow. “Brother” of Yellow Bear
Top Bear (1828 - )
• Chehuhaton, Kettle with Legs Two Face. His sons: xxx
Blackfoot. His son: Calico (Mini-Xu-hai)? Thunder Bear Long-Legged Wolf (stepson of Black Foot)
Standing Cloud (1/2 brother of Blackfoot). His son: Xxx
Red Dog (1/2 brother of Blackfoot)
Red Feather's father. His son: Red Feather
Father of White Bird: White Bird (Zintkala Ska) Red-Eared Horse (1838-1918) Yankton Charley, also known as Plenty Wolf
I am waiting for comments and additions. thanks in advance
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Post by grigoryev on Jun 17, 2015 10:22:00 GMT -5
Hello. Who else belongs to the family Standing Bull II except his son Standing Bull III? Did he have brothers?
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Post by grigoryev on Jun 16, 2015 15:22:51 GMT -5
Hello. What is known about the family of the Yellow Thunder? The site Tiyospaye given the following information: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikestevens/2010-p/p359.htm#i11466Yellow Thunder was born at Lakota Territory circa 1820. He married (?) Her Holy Breath circa 1839. Children of (?) Yellow Thunder and (?) Her Holy Breath (?) Little Big Man b. circa 1840, d. 1887 Hannah Mule + b. circa 1840, d. Oct 12, 1898. Also known as Tocha Cesli Can anyone add to this information or to correct it?
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Post by grigoryev on Jun 16, 2015 15:02:18 GMT -5
Some thoughts about Bad Wound: Bad Wound I -- Charles Turning Hawk mentioned in an interview that his grandfather was the first Bad Wound, "a big chief of the Tashnaitca" tiyospaye of the Oglala. Presumably Bad Wound I is the individual mentioned by Lewis & Clark. Hyde mentions that one of the Bad Wounds died in 1865 (I have not been able to verify his source yet); I suspect that this was Bad Wound I. Bad Wound II was the father of Charles Turning Hawk, who mentioned that he had a number of wives and as many as 26 sons! Based on his children's years of birth, I am guessing that he was born circa. 1800-1810. I assume he is the one who signed the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851 and the Treaty of 1868. In the records of the Red Cloud Agency where he settled in the early 1870s, he is usually referred to as "Old Bad Wound" to distinguish him from his son "Young Bad Wound." Bad Wound II is listed in the agency records up through the 1880-82 period but is not in the 1886 census, suggesting that he died sometime in the early 1880s. (We have not found census records for the period between 1882-86) Bad Wound III or "Young Bad Wound" was born about 1832 or 1833 and assumed his father's role as leader of the Tasnaheca Band (Oglala). Like his father, he settled at the Red Cloud Agency during the early 1870s. He went to Washington, D.C. with the 1875 delegation and signed the Treaty of 1876. Either he (or his father) accompanied Red Cloud in May 1877 to meet Crazy Horse and other northern leaders as they were en route to surrender at Red Cloud. Bad Wound III married Good Woman probably about 1860 and then Red Top about 1873. His children included: Daniel (b. c1861), Noah (c1867-1930), Robert (c1871-1940) and Millie. Contrary to Donovin Sprague's comment in his photo book of the Pine Ridge Reservation, Bad Wound III died in late 1917 or early 1918 (I am still searching through the Pine Ridge Reservation records to find the exact date). Bad Wound III's children continued the family tradition of participation in tribal government. Noah served as a tribal judge and Robert became the first tribal President in 1935 under the Indian Reorganization Act. ephriam Hello. About Bad Wounds II. Is there any information about his family - his wife, sons? Previous lists are Tasnaheca 1870s - 21 family. It's all his sons?
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Post by grigoryev on Apr 29, 2015 17:11:53 GMT -5
Hello Dear Kingsley In the previous post. You have led the groups belonging to oglalam: [OGLALA BANDS] pa-ha-hi'-a. Those who camp at the end, wa-min'-i-mi-du'-za, Whirlwind. min-i-sha', Red water (an Oglala band), wam'-bi-li-shi'-a-na. The Eagle that sails. pe-hi'-pte-ci-la, Short hair band, ho-po'-ma-za, Iron Arm. og-la'-la (meaning not known), ta-shunk'-a-wit'-ku. Foolish Horse. Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2252/haydens-list-teton-bands-chiefs#ixzz3YjYZ7CIMOf these groups, known Payabya and Oglala (True). But for some reason no Kiyaksa / Kuhinyan. Mini-sha begin to go to the Sans Arc. Not listed Oyukpe, Hunkpatilla. But why is there pe-hi'-pte-ci-la, Short hair bands headed ho-po'-ma-za, Iron Arm. Is there any information on this leader?
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Post by grigoryev on Apr 28, 2015 16:05:06 GMT -5
hello Once again leafed through "Contributions to the Ethnography and Philology of the Indian Tribes of the Missouri Valley" In the "Names of Dakota bands, with their principal chiefs" are interested in some of the data. For example, in a group Payabya, chief named Mato Wakuya, but not Affraid his Horse. About Mato Wakuya found only that he signed "AGREEMENT WITH THE SIOUX OF VARIOUS TRIBES, 1882-83."
The next question for the group pa-ha-hi'-a. Which is why it is translated as "Those who camp at the end" - Hunkpapa, but the Hunkpapa are listed below with a note - translation is not known. Their leader named Whirlwind wa-min'-i-mi-du'-za. This meant the famous Fast Whirlwind? Or someone else. What is this band?
Thank you very much
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Post by grigoryev on Apr 22, 2015 15:35:46 GMT -5
hello I have the following question. As part Hunkpatila mentioned "Red Lodge band: Yellow Eagle family." Hide mentions Yellow Eagle in 1850 as the leader of the group of Red Lodge. Someone has information on the group and the family of the Yellow Eagle? thanks in advance
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Post by grigoryev on Apr 20, 2015 14:50:03 GMT -5
hello In the basic distribution of 1800-1825 have respected Kingsley following tiyospaye Iwayusota, Used Up by Begging (leads to Walks Underground, Black Bear families). The distribution of 1835 is already tiyospaye not specified. Though they Walks Underground, Black Bear lived a little later. This means that in the period around 1835 is tiyospaye merged with several other tiyospaye True Oglala during displacement to the south? Can this association and headed Fast Whirlwind? In 1846 the distribution of this tiyospaye again shown as part of the camp Bad Wound. What else is known about this tiyospaye and Walks Underground and the Black Bear families.
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Post by grigoryev on Apr 19, 2015 3:05:03 GMT -5
Hello. At the moment I read Donald Koller "Oglala Field Note". In an interview with The Ghost, who has a different name walexa (bag) has the following information: "I lived in No Braid's camp, called wakantiospaye (holy camp)... I am a wazazi, but after I married No Braid's sister I went to live with his bunch... I was born at old Ft. Laramie. My father was named Shedding Horse or Black Blanket. My mother's name was Iron Beaver. I was in the wazazi band; that was my father's band... I used to live in my father's tipi. With us in the wazazi were: Big Tit - FF (own tipi) Feather Necklace - B (married and own tipi) Oscar Whetstone - cousin Black Bull - MB I had another MB, White Horse, in the camp of Coverd Head (pamahe), which was just a small camp. ...."
What's the name of the camp - Cover Head. If his mother was from tiyospaye Wakan, which were Oyuhpe, then maybe it's also one of the camps Oyuhpe? Can anyone provide information on the subject.
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Post by grigoryev on Apr 17, 2015 16:12:36 GMT -5
hello In the branch "Oglala Representatives in the 1825 Treaty" new data on Shoulder family. What is known about the other famous family - Shell Man family? Who was his father, and who were his children? If in the years 1867-1868 this tiyospaye High Wolf led, by whom he has to Shell Man? thank you in advance
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Post by grigoryev on Mar 2, 2015 3:19:10 GMT -5
hello Kingsley I would like to clarify the following. How do you write: "Old Man Afraid was known as Kapozhe'la - 'light in weight', which is actually the name of his immediate extended family group. In other words, as if he was THE Kapozhe'la, the embodiment of the tiyospaye."
However, the distribution of the Oglala, you specify: Kapozhela, Light-weight: Black Elk / Crazy Horse family.
This indicates some connection between Crazy Horse and Man Affraid families?
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