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Post by gregor on Dec 16, 2010 11:13:46 GMT -5
Hi, surfing around on the Internet, I found an interesting 59 pages essay of Susan Labry Meyn. In "Enduring Encounters" she writes about "Cincinnatians and American Indians to 1900". From page 34 to 52 she tells the story of a group of Brulés in "Cincinnati's Wild West". This group was led by Young Iron Shell, Goes-To-War and Little Bald Eagle. Here's the link: www.ohioswallow.com/extras/9780821417393_intro.pdf Enjoy! Gregor
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Post by gregor on Dec 12, 2010 14:09:37 GMT -5
Re: Two Strike « Reply #16 on Dec 1, 2009, 2:10pm »
With regard to the picture, which naiches2 posted:
We see from left to right
Little Hawk (Two Strikes son), Two Strikes and Stands-And-Looks-Back. According to Claes Jacobsons "Rosebud Sioux" Stands-And-Looks-Back was an Oglala by birth, who lived most of his life with the Rosebud Brulés. One of his sisters was married to Charles P. Jordan, the trader on Rosebud. It is always reported, that Jordan was married to a niece of Red Cloud, so Stands-And-Looks-Back could be his nephew.
Gregor
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Post by gregor on Dec 12, 2010 7:35:56 GMT -5
Hi, Emily, hi Swiftbird,
yes, in the matter of Tall Mandan, there are still some questions to clarify. Once again I went through the Census reports, which I have on hand. As already mentioned, we find Tall Mandans on Cheyenne River and on the Rosebud Reservation.
In the 1886 Cheyenne River Census we find at No. 142: Long Mandan (29y, son of “our” Tall Mandan?), Medicine Woman (60y, mother?) and Good Girl (10 y, sister?). In 1887 we find the same persons under No. 142 with an additional woman and a baby: Four Legged Blanket (28 y, spouse of Long Mandan Jun.?) and a 2 year old baby.
Recently I had to look up also the Rosebud Census for the years 1900 to 1910. For instance in the Census for 1906 I found under the number 2612 a Tall Mandan (70y), his wife Sugar Woman (56 y) and a son Paul (16y).
Maybe some friends on Cheyenne River or/and Rosebud can help?
Gregor
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Post by gregor on Dec 5, 2010 14:30:49 GMT -5
Hi grahamew,
is it possible to get a better resolution of the 1st photo of the Little Bighorn series by S. F. 'Dick' Fansler (John Grass and Rain in the Face in 1886)? I'm not convinced yet, that the 2 persons are Grass and Rain. I tried to blow up the picture, but it is difficult. Maybe anyone has a better resolution? Thanks. Gregor
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Post by gregor on Nov 25, 2010 2:02:04 GMT -5
Hi, regarding replies No. 2 & 9, I tend to believe that these pictures show the same person. Look at the nose, eyes and mouth section, the composure of the head. I think there are 2-3 years between these exposures. In the right pic Big Head seems to be older.
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Post by gregor on Nov 24, 2010 4:16:50 GMT -5
Wonderful picture, naiches! On basis of the well documented delegation photo of October 1888 I assembled an identification table (a Word table with pictures of individual personalities from different years and decades). After a comparison of the Jenney-Photo from 1875 with the table, I tend to identify the Lakota as follows (from left to right):
Slow Bull, Dog Back, Blue Horse (or Stabber?), No Flesh, Fast Thunder (or Bad Wound?), Plenty Bears, unknown.
It is of course a hypothesis. The identification is complicated by the fact that some people bend down their heads and can’t be identified unambiguous. Of course I’m open to alternative suggestions. Gregor
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Post by gregor on Nov 23, 2010 14:08:53 GMT -5
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Low Dog
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Post by gregor on Nov 22, 2010 16:00:15 GMT -5
I know this picture also with the caption "Low Dog". Since this is apparently a 15 to 20 years old young man and the picture may have been shot in Carlisle, leads me to believe, that this is "Luke Low Dog" the son of Low Dog (later Joshua Low Dog). See also here: www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/LowDog.htmIt is a working hypothesis. Perhaps Ladonna is able to help further.
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Post by gregor on Nov 12, 2010 7:24:16 GMT -5
Well done hreinn! As mentioned before, we will have to debate the issue for a long time. I myself consider a multi-dimensional approach in such matters very use- and helpful. We can’t exclude any reasonably source if we want to have a reliable result. Neither written documents of the dominant culture, nor family or oral traditions of the Lakota. We have to be careful not only about old paperwork, but also about alleged oral traditions. I myself have already experienced cases where the “oral tradition” originated from books and/or documents of the 19th century. The discussion is open now. Again, thank you for the compilation, Gregor.
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Post by gregor on Oct 19, 2010 14:08:46 GMT -5
Hi Jeroen, no, I don't think that your pic shows Black Shawls brother. As far as I know is this the right man: Sitting next to Red Feather is Father Eugene Buechel, a german Jesuit. The photograph was shot in 1947. Greetings Gregor
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Post by gregor on Oct 18, 2010 4:12:08 GMT -5
Hi everybody,
Chief Blue Horse , born about 1821, died on the Pine Ridge Reservation in 1909 (as far as I know). David H. Miller did his sketches and paintings of LBH survivors etc. mainly between 1935 and 1942. So, the mentioned Daniel Blue Horse can't be Chief Blue Horse. Maybe it was his son Little Medicine (born about 1867), who later took the name Daniel Blue Horse or a grandchild. What do you think?
Greetings from Germany Gregor
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Post by gregor on Sept 23, 2010 13:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Sept 19, 2010 16:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Sept 18, 2010 18:17:27 GMT -5
Emily, we have to be careful with the Ben Arnold reports on the Ft. Laramie / Ft. Rice Treaty. On page 160 of this book the author says:
"From the Platte River came Red Cloud [to Fort Rice!], Afraid-Of-His-Horses, Little Wound, Two Strikes and Spotted Tail.....The Arapahos sent Black Kettle, ....the northern Cheyenne Dull Knife...".
As far as I know didn't these men sign the Treaty at Fort Rice nor did they attend the proceedings there. All these chiefs signed at Ft. Laramie: Spotted Tail, Two Strikes (Brulé) on April 29, 1868 Man-Afraid, Little Wound (Oglala) on May 25. / 26., 1868 The Hunkpapa signed on July 2, 1868 in Fort Rice and Red Cloud was the last to sign on November 6, 1868. I dont know if Black Kettle signed the treaty at all.
So, this source is unreliable in my view.
Greetings from Germany Gregor
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Post by gregor on Sept 17, 2010 3:23:11 GMT -5
Greetings from Germany, I would like to resume the Gardner discussion. I have a small collection of nearly hundred Gardner images of the Fort Laramie treaty proceedings. For some interested friends I wrote a little book on Gardner, the involved treaty parties and commented the pictures (sorry, only in German). When I was at Fort Laramie, unfortunately I have not paid attention to the locations where Gardner could have shot his photographs. So I tried using the map below to determine the locations. My number 003 would be this picture: The number 007 (Crows and Dr. Matthews) this one: I believe the group is sitting on the foot bridge leading to Brown's hotel. Number 026, the Sutler's residence, this one: And this one the number 029 And my last example, this one no. 065 The last image may have been developed mirror inverted. Right behind Slow Bull are four buildings in a frontage of buildings. The terrain is a little bit steep and in the background we can recognize a part of the ring fence of the fort. If we look for an appropriate location on the map, then the "BARRACKS" at the parade ground fit best. For an observer - who occupies the position of the photographer - then the buildings should be on the left. Therefore, my presumption that the photo was developed reversed. What do you think?
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