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Post by grahamew on Nov 22, 2010 15:10:26 GMT -5
This is a Guerin photo, right? Taken on the Jenney Expedition through the Black Hills? We've had one of these before somewhere - though not this one. Can anyone identify the Lakota men?
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 22, 2010 15:16:44 GMT -5
We need Ephriam on this one I think, but the Lakota on the left (pipe tomahawk, german silver ornament, quilled shirt) is I think Black Bear (Southern Oglala). Is it Red Dog in the middle?
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 22, 2010 15:29:09 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 22, 2010 16:35:36 GMT -5
Just a guess... Pawnee Killer?
We definitely need to have a better resolution scan to be sure.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 22, 2010 17:52:25 GMT -5
I thought Red Dog too. It looks like he's come out in his Sunday best to meet them! Here's the other picture I have:
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 23, 2010 9:44:35 GMT -5
The second photo is also part of Ephriam´s article, plus another Guerin showing the Red Cloud agency in 1875.
Note that the same white/mixed-blood person is standing in both of the above photos. Who is this short man?
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 23, 2010 11:14:11 GMT -5
Here´s a blown up picture of the one Grahame posted above: Joe (Jose) Merivale, a Mexican-American, was the hired guide and interpreter on the expedition. Could he be the man in the photos? There must be a list of the eleven Lakotas with Red Dog, perhaps we can identify some of the individuals in the photo.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 23, 2010 11:38:35 GMT -5
In July 1875 a commission visited Red Cloud and Spotted Tail agencies ahead of the big council about the Black Hills. From there members travelled to the Cheyenne River and Standing Rock agencies, going via the Black Hills. They were accompanied by a party of headmen from the two White River agencies, using their influence to invite delegations from the Missouri River agencies to attend the big 'national' council. Capt. James Egan, Co. K, 2nd Cavalry, the famous gray horse troop, commanded an escort for the party.
Billy Garnett told Judge Ricker that the party included Blue Horse, Slow Bull, and Red Dog.
The CHICAGO TRIBUNE for August 10 noted that the Indians included Red Dog, No Flesh, Little Eagle, The Man Who Kills the Hawk, and "eight other red devils with fantastic sounding names."
Col R.I. Dodge's journal for July 22, 1875 notes the arrival of the party including "Red Dog & a dozen other Indians en train to the Missouri agencies, to make treaty."
I suspect that the party also had a fact-finding brief from the tribal councils on White River, to ascertain the nature and scale of mining activities in the Black Hills.
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Post by gregor on Nov 23, 2010 14:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Nov 23, 2010 14:34:06 GMT -5
Is No Flesh the man who appears to be wearing an army coat? Is Stabber/One Stab the man in the striped shirt or perhaps Blue Horse? Slow Bull at the left?
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 23, 2010 17:15:01 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Nov 24, 2010 4:16:50 GMT -5
Wonderful picture, naiches! On basis of the well documented delegation photo of October 1888 I assembled an identification table (a Word table with pictures of individual personalities from different years and decades). After a comparison of the Jenney-Photo from 1875 with the table, I tend to identify the Lakota as follows (from left to right):
Slow Bull, Dog Back, Blue Horse (or Stabber?), No Flesh, Fast Thunder (or Bad Wound?), Plenty Bears, unknown.
It is of course a hypothesis. The identification is complicated by the fact that some people bend down their heads and can’t be identified unambiguous. Of course I’m open to alternative suggestions. Gregor
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Post by grahamew on Nov 24, 2010 14:37:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that larger image, Naiches
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 24, 2010 17:20:49 GMT -5
you are welcome! I'm always happy to help
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 25, 2010 4:00:10 GMT -5
thanks Dietmar and Naiches (Capitan Xuilo!) for the enhanced images and the feedback from gregor and grahamew. I think that No Flesh third from right in the seated group looks a cert, with Blue Horse third from left. Something about the posture of the man on the left makes me think Slow Bull. The Curtis photo's of the hunka ceremony feature his son Slow Bull II in a rather similar pose. I'd like to know more about the man with the pipe and pipe bag, formally posed as the 'chief' of the group.
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