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Post by jeroen on Jul 8, 2009 12:33:52 GMT -5
Yes you are absolutely right fillupe! I got her first name Lillian mixed up and remembered it as Little... thus Little Wenona, but her real stage name being indeed Princess Wenona.
Charlie, I may well concur with your identifications, just wasn't sure about Kaytah and Martine...
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Post by jeroen on Jul 8, 2009 9:47:46 GMT -5
Meanwhile, another fine Geronimo photograph...
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Post by jeroen on Jul 8, 2009 9:42:53 GMT -5
Fillupe, I do have the large sized picture already. The lady next to Geronimo performed as "Little Wenona" in Pawnee Bill's wild west show. She was a main rival for Anny Oakley and the two ladies had little sympathy for eachother. As for the identification of the other Indian, I'm not sure, but he may well have been a Pawnee or a Ponca, for most Indians attached to Pawnee Bill's were from these tribes... at least in 1901. I am also not 100% certain about the general Miles identification. He and Geronimo met in 1898 at the Omaha Fair, but that went badly. Geronimo blamed Miles for breaking his promises and the nasty treatment of his people since the surrender in 1886. Most historians agree the two never met again. Also, in 1901 Miles was still active in the military as the ranking general of the U.S. army.
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Post by jeroen on Jul 8, 2009 9:33:36 GMT -5
I agree with you Charlie, Chappo was in Carlisle at that time...
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Post by jeroen on Jul 7, 2009 7:16:59 GMT -5
Great pictures Naiches! Here are a few more... beautiful portrait from life of Naiche by E.A. Burbank: Naiche and Eugene Chihuahua Christian Naiche Jr, son of the chief, and his wife
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Post by jeroen on Jul 7, 2009 7:08:28 GMT -5
I recently got this picture, but without identification. My guess it is Geronimo's son, Chapo... can anybody confirm this?
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Post by jeroen on Jul 3, 2009 2:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Jul 3, 2009 1:59:37 GMT -5
got a few more... Naiche, along with Fun, Nahbay and his youngest wife Haozinne Dorothy, Naiche's eldest daughter Cochise's daughters, half sisters to Naiche
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Post by jeroen on Jul 3, 2009 1:52:26 GMT -5
IIn my humble opinion the man sitting right looks a lot like Yellow Bear, an Arapaho...
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Post by jeroen on Jun 27, 2009 1:17:50 GMT -5
I'm not 100% certain, but a good guess would be Throssel (same hairdo as in the earlier posted Throssel picture)
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Post by jeroen on Jun 26, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5
Beautiful image Jinlian! Here's another one...
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Post by jeroen on Jun 26, 2009 4:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Jun 26, 2009 3:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Jun 25, 2009 12:01:45 GMT -5
I agree with Shan that the two I identified as Laziyah and Nahbay are men, Apache women were extremely modest with clothes and they certainly would not have their picture taken with bare legs. Furthermore, the man I identified as Nahbay closely resembles a man who was photographed that same period in Texas who is positively identified as being Nahbay. Besides, Beshe and Nahbay were brothers so it makes sense they would sit together for the picture. This is the picture (cropped) I mean: As for Laziyah, the remaining warrior is is clearly one of the elder men (as can be seen in clear prints of the train photo), and Laziyah is the only that fit when it comes to age. Shan, I don't know about Charlie, but I have published a book on the Chiricahua and numerous articles about Geronimo, Cochise and others based on years of research that I do for my paintings. I want my work, both writing and painting, to be as historically and culturally accurate as possible. As for Johlsanny, he was probably a son of Ulzanna, although the names get mixed up all the time. Ulzanna survived until 1909 but his descendants can still be found at Mescalero. I have little doubt abaout Fun's identity. He was close to both Geronimo and Naiche and one of the bravest warriors. After the surrender he became heavily depressed and within a year commited suicide by shooting himself. Dietmar, if the photo indeed was taken in 1875 in Camp Apache, it is probably not Geronimo, for he remained in the Chiricahua (Cochise) reservation that year. Besides the 8th infantry was a unit to which mainly Western Apaches were attached, particulary of the White Mountain groups. Still it is an intruiging photo and it really looks like Geronimo...
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Post by jeroen on Jun 24, 2009 12:26:02 GMT -5
I agree with all id's mentioned by Charlie, and add two I am pretty certain of (Nahbay and Laziyah), that makes my identification of the band: front row: Fun, Perico, Naiche, Geronimo, Chapo, Garditha back row: kanseah, Yahozha, Zhonne, Ahnandia, Tissnolthos, unknown, Hunlonah, Laziyah, Nahbay, Beshe The unknown warrior is either Motsos or Kilthdigai, they were both estimated to be about 35 years old. In some prints of the train photos another unidentified Apache can be seen behind the third window. third row: Haozinne, Biyaneta, Nohchlon and Leosanni (I agree Tahdeshte is not in the photo)
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