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Post by clarence on Jan 31, 2024 4:58:26 GMT -5
Standing next to Cody in the group photo are Short Bull and Lone Bull, Arapaho
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Post by clarence on Jan 29, 2024 4:29:27 GMT -5
Good morning everybody! What about all the pictures wich where on this page not later than two days ago??
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Post by clarence on Dec 7, 2023 3:14:45 GMT -5
The woman on the right looks undoubtably older but I think they could be one and the same. They share the same eyecut and zooming in the left picture i think i can see the wart on the right side of the mouth which is much more evident in the right pic. Hope this helps
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Post by clarence on Nov 20, 2023 6:33:17 GMT -5
About Mar 28, 2019 at 12:13am post, attentively staring at the last blurred blown up figure, I think I recognize the Lower Yanktonai chief Mad Bear rather than Long Feather.
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Post by clarence on Oct 11, 2023 4:07:13 GMT -5
I'm still trying to find out who the five men in the grainy group photo are. Dietmar's article suggests it may have been shot in Deadwood in 1903. Identified leaders of the 1894-95 Pine Ridge series all seem to belong to Oyuhpe and Soreback bands: - Afraid Of Hawk (aka Čhetáŋ Kȟokípȟa, aka Emil Afraid Of Hawk) was oyuhpe leader Slow Bull's son; - High Bear (aka Matȟó Waŋkátuya) was a Head of the Household in White Clay district where bands returning from Canada via Standing Rock were relocated (i.e. Oyuhpe and Sorebacks); - Kills A Hundred (aka Opa'winge Kte', aka John Kills A Hundred) was oyuhpe leader Red Dog's son; - Lone Dog (aka Su'nka Isna'la) was also a Head of the Household in White Clay district; - Pretty Weasel (aka Ithu'nkasan Waste', aka Leo Pretty Weasel) was a Cankahuhan (Soreback) leader; - Looks Twice aka Wayanka Nupa or Nupa Wakita was a oyuhpe Head of the Household in Wounded Knee district and the son of Foam; - Long Dog (aka Súŋka Háŋska, aka James or John Long Dog) was a Head of the Household in Wounded Knee district, suggesting he could have been an Oyuhpe too. Considering all premises, I think the man standing second from right bears strong resemblances with the famed Cankahuhan leader HE DOG. My reading of the pic would be: L-R: Kills A Hundred, Looks Twice, James Long Dog, He Dog, unknown. This last man is variously identified as Long Dog or High Bear. Personally I believe he looks a little bit like Joseph High Eagle (1860-1950) but honestly he seems too old to be a man in his forties. Any guess?
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Post by clarence on Jan 4, 2023 6:16:22 GMT -5
I posted Big Tree's pic to be compared with the one in the first post.
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Post by clarence on Jan 4, 2023 5:36:01 GMT -5
I think he bears some resemblance to Big Tree. He seems to wear the same beaded chain, doesn't he?
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Post by clarence on Jan 3, 2022 4:52:29 GMT -5
Hi everybody and happy new year! The man standing on the right in my opinion bears some resemblance with Richard Spotted Elk even if the portraits of that period show him more overweight and I don't know if he ever worked\travelled with Cody's show.
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Post by clarence on Apr 14, 2021 4:26:13 GMT -5
So sorry to hear such a sad news. We'll never forget a great person who shared with us her immense knowledge with passion and commitment. Rest in peace..
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Post by clarence on Mar 10, 2021 3:10:26 GMT -5
I would suggest the one pictured in grahamew's post is indeed his nephew Laban Little Wolf instead of the former Sweet Medicine chief.
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Post by clarence on May 18, 2020 14:43:12 GMT -5
I revised my main scheme always including Sweet Medicine Chief among the 4 Old Man Chiefs. The latters were Coucil Chiefs who distinguished themselves for wisdom in the previous decade. I tried to take in account this aspect too.
After World War I US President requested a figure to which confer the honors for the Cheyenne participation in the conflict. Laban Little Wolf was then appointed as first Head Chief or White Man's Chief. From 1934 the charge was taken on the President of the Tribal Council, the new parliament established by the New Deal Reorganisation Act which operated under the supervision of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and implicitly replaced the Chiefs Council as main tribal authority.
I added Lame White Man as a 1864 Southern Council Chief, band unknown. Father Peter J. Powell reports ("Sweet Medicine: The Continuing Role of the Sacred Arrows, the Sun Dance, and the Sacred Buffalo Hat in Northern Cheyenne History", p. 100, footnotes) "Wooden Leg describes Lame White Man as being one of the Old Man Chiefs of the Southern Cheyennes, but says he was not a chief among the Northeners. (...) John Stands In Timber describes Lame White Man as being one of the Council Chiefs". I tend to rule out that he could have been nominated Old Man Chief by the Southern branch of the tribe he left immediatly after the Sand Creek massacre at the age of 25 (he was born in 1839). However it's not unlikely he could have been welcomed as a Coucil Chief in 1864 Southern Chiefs' Renewing Ceremony (or whenever was it organized). His band affiliation is something I couldn't also figure out. He left the South after the massacre but no clue nor author testifies his presence in the battle. That would suggest his provenance from one of those bands which where not involved in the conflict like the Southern Suhtai, the Masikota and the Hotamitaniu (Dog Soldiers). John Stands In Timber seems to allude to the latters when stating at page 219 of his "Memories": "My grandmother Twin Woman...her children...were living with Tangled Hair, the head man of my grandfather Lame White Man's family". So a Dog Soldier by band and an Elk Horn Scraper by military affiliation?
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Post by clarence on May 11, 2020 13:15:31 GMT -5
I updated the scheme with all new hints, principally adding Tall White Man (touché) and replacing Black Moccasin with Gray Head as an earlier Old Man Chief.
Kingsley, checking your Apr 28, 2016 at 10:16am Big Ribs' post seems clear his peace mission touched various villages involviong northern and Southern Lakota bands. Why couldn't be the same for Cheyenne bands too? Alongside Northern Cheyennes we find Dog Soldiers leaders. I tend to read Little Bear and Man Stands in the Water as southeners names, as well as Big Head, who could be the Hownowa leader captured by Custer on the Texas Panhandle.
About the Bob Tail cited by Margaret Carrington, I would exclude being the same as Bobtail Horse. The Northern Elk Horn Scrapers warrior of Little Bighorn fame and late time Council Chief was born in 1850.
Concerning the Sweet Medicine Chief charge, Sun Road accepted the office but chose not to accept the actual Sweet Medicine bundle from Little Wolf. “I didn’t want to say it,” Sun Road later admitted, “but he wears that medicine over his shoulder slung under his left arm. I think it has begun to smell.” The council considered doing away with the Sweet Medicine bundle, but Chief Grasshopper stepped up and accepted the bundle from Little Wolf.
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Post by clarence on May 9, 2020 3:47:00 GMT -5
Wow so many new cues to update my diagram, thanks everybody! I'm really happy for incentivizing such a brainstorm! Little Wolf's figure has always been so controversial to me. Labelled as the best Cheyenne strategist by historians, he appeared to be mostly mistreated by his own people. I'm thinking about the Laramie Treaty circumstances recalled by Kingsley and the episode of his late arrival on the Little Bighorn when he was ostracized as a spy. Dietmar, the 1864 Renewal Ceremony is something complicated to focus. My original thought was it was held the same year, especially to replace the eight chiefs perished in the Massacre. Little Rock for example, was said to be elected in that occasion in 1864. If all you bards ( ) think it can work, till new evidences come to light, I'll reconfigure my model assuming a Summer election before Sand Creek (without northern bands as Bent stated) and a late 1869 Northern Cheyenne Ceremony following the Treaty talks, as Kingsley theorized. Moore claims Red Moon to be the successor of Black Kettle, becoming a Wutapiu by the marriage with Sioux Woman. Apparently Black Kettle's nephew White Shield succeded Red Moon as band lader. Possibly he was more appreciated by peace factions, having Red Moon got involved in the Red River War? The same Moore ("The Cheyenne Nation", White Shield's portrait, p. 226) identifies White Shield as "a leader of the Red Moon band". Kingsley, maybe I'm wrong but I have High Back Wolf I, Masikota by birth, as a Suhtai chief by marriage. I was aware Hevataniu (Hair Rope)generated through marriages between Suhtai men and Masikota women. Again Moore ("The Cheyenne Nation", p. 235) claims the term was inaugurated in 1828 to designate the group that moved on the Arkansas with Yellow Wolf to trade at Bent's Fort. I'm a bit disappointed not being able to find any picture of Grasshopper in a period like the reservation era when there should have been plenty of opportunities. Is Brave Bear the noted Little Bighorn hero? Wasn't he a Southern Cheyenne? Hope this helps Thanks Hreinn that's my purpose!
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Post by clarence on May 7, 2020 12:37:20 GMT -5
Ok thanks a lot Kingsley! So apparently in 1864 (and the following years) the Cheyenne Nation was too much ravaged by the Sand Creek Massacre and focused on vengenace raids to concentrate on such a sacred ceremony like the Renewing of the Council. That's my guess for postponing it as far as late Summer of 1868. I'll adjust my table!
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Post by clarence on May 6, 2020 3:16:57 GMT -5
I've added to my diagram the Northern Cheyennes who signed the Fort Laramie Treaty in 1868, May 10. Actually it's hard to distinguish which was cheyenne or arapaho cause they are all mixed up. From further research I found only 4 cheyenne chiefs (i.e. Council Chiefs) "touched the pen": Little Wolf, Dull Knife, Big Wolf, and Short Hair. So that's my conclusion:
- WAH-TAH-NAH, Black Bear: Northern Arapaho chief; - BAH-TA-CHE, Medicine Man: Northern Arapaho chief. Identified here on the blog as a Southern Cheyenne delegate to Washington in 1873. Loretta Fowler (Arapahoe Politics, 1851-1978: Symbols in Crises of Authority) claims he was one of the most important Northern Arapaho leaders who settled at the Red Cloud Agency after the Great Sioux War. - OH-CUM-GA-CHE, Little Wolf: Northern Suhtai Council Chief. This chief was identified as a Northern Arapaho by Fowler and other authors. Actually the Arapaho leader was variously spelled as Ehakatci or Khakatci, so this should be the Cheyenne headman. - ICHS-TAH-EN, Short Hair: Northern Cheyenne Council Chief (band unknown). The individual portraied alongside Little Wolf and an unidentified man in a noted 1868 Gardner's shot. - NON-NE-SE-BE, Sorrel Horse: Northern Arapaho chief; - KA-TE-U-NAN, The Under Man: Northern Arapaho chief (not otherwise identified); - AH-CHE-E-WAH, The Man in the Sky: Northern Arapaho chief (not otherwise identified); - WE-AH-SE-VOSE, The Big Wolf: Northern Cheyenne Council Chief (band unknown). Aka Strong Wolf, leader present at the Little Bighorn. - CHES-NE-ON-E-AH, The Beau (or the Bean?): Northern Arapaho chief (not otherwise identified); - MAT-AH-NE-WE-TAH, The Man that falls from his horse: Northern Arapaho chief (not otherwise identified); - OH-E-NA-KU, White Crow: Northern Arapaho chief; - A-CHE-KAN-KOO-ENI, Little Shield: Northern Arapaho chief (probably). I'm not certain if the signer was the Arapaho leader or the O'mi'sis famed Elk Horn Scrapers warrior, son of Young Spotted Wolf and also known as White Shield. - TAH-ME-LA-PASH-ME, or Dull Knife: Northern O'mi'sis Council Chief.
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