Post by kingsleybray on Dec 14, 2020 18:08:33 GMT -5
thanks Dietmar. Absolutely nothing to compare this photo to, but I'm wondering if this could be Man Who Walks Underground. Lots of references to him from July 1866 through September 1868, when he was killed, leading a Southern Oglala band which was usually considered 'friendly'. Does Ephriam have any thoughts on this?
Post by kingsleybray on Dec 17, 2020 17:41:44 GMT -5
Dietmar, could the photograph we're considering ("Group of Ogalallah Sioux at North Platte") be connected to the arrival of the westbound Union Pacific Railroad? The end of track reached North Platte on December 3, 1867.
The top hatted gents look like local boosters at a major event. Newspaper accounts of end of track events at North Platte? with mentions of Indians?
Over the winter 1866-67 the location became the supply depot for UP materiel. North Platte township was formally established in early 1867. At some point between February and April (so, roughly March . . . ), 1867, Agent M. T. Patrick moved the Upper Platte Indian Agency from Ft Laramie to North Platte. This is presumably too late to be relevant to the photograph (drat), but North Platte did become the agency then till Patrick packed up in summer 1868.
Man Who Walks Underground was a regular visitor to the agency at North Platte. Incidentally, the proceedings of the Fetterman Investigative Commission cover a council at California Crossing beginning April 20, 1867. Spotted Tail's Brules were the main Lakota attendees, but these Oglalas were mentioned, all coming from camps on the Republican river:
CHIEFS: Man Who Walks Underground Standing Cloud Big Head SOLDIER: Fire Thunder
grahamew, I don't recognize the guy at the left, but your point is sound.
Don't know if this helps at all but Leon Palladay had built himself a "buffet" at North Platte railroad station that fall ('67) but was away at Fort Laramie negotiations during November, escorting Fast Bear, Swift Bear and White Eyes, according to Louis Simonin
I will follow up soon with some newspaper accounts I have found...
Does anyone know, who dated the 'Ogalallah at North Platte' photo in 1866? Carbutt took many photos on that 1866 excursion to the 100th Meridian, but all accounts mention only the meeting of Pawnee Indians. There was a sham battle between Pawnee and Sioux, but the latter are said to be only disguised Pawnee.
John Carbutt indeed was back in the West in October 1867, when he accompanied correspondents of the Chicago Tribune.
This is a Chicago Tribune report of October 1867. John Carbutt is documented as the accompanying photographer of the trip:
FROM CHICAGO TO THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS. The Editorial Excursion. Special Correspondence of The Chicago Tribune. Julesburg, Colorado, Oct. 11.
UP THE PLATTE VALLEY. The editorial excursion party left Omaha Thursday afternoon… […]
As we hurried along, the dead line of the plain began to be relieved by very slight undulations, and at 10 o’clock we turned to the Platte, and crossing it on a bridge of piling nearly half a mile long, rounded a handsome curve and rolled into the little village of
NORTH PLATTE, 290 miles from Omaha, the main station between Omaha and the mountains, standing unshaded by the trees and shrub, on the vast plain that lies like a green ocean about it. Quite a town is destined to grow up at this point. The railroad company has erected a fine brick round-house with stalls for twenty locomotives, and a large brick building for general purposes, and a handsome white hotel and some very respectable dwellings are already built. Its location near the Platte River, in a country so generally destitute of streams, also gives it unusual advantages.
AN INDIAN EXHIBITION. Our Committee of Arrangements, constantly seeking to add to the interest of the trip, had telegraphed to Mr. Patrick, the Indian Agent at this place, inquiring if an exhibition of the genuine aborigines could not be seen, and had received the reply that he would make arrangements to that effect. Accordingly, as soon as the train stopped, the party saw the tents of the red man a little way off and at once proceeding thither, where a small party of Sioux were encamped, the squaws and juveniles scattered in and about the small tents, while their lords, with the Chief “Big Mouth” at their head, were seated in state in a large pavilion formed of the tanned hides of buffalo, sewed together and stretched upon high poles. The long pipe of peace was passed around among them, each taking a whiff and handing it to his neighbor. They were dressed in a varied and fantastic manner, some wearing coats trimmed with buttons, some with buffalo robes or blankets of different hues wrapped about their manly shoulders, and most of them painfully destitute of nether garments. Their faces and hair were painted with bright colors, and their heads were bare, with the exception of the Chief, who wore a wide-brimmed felt hat. The squaws were generally well wrapped in blankets, but two or three wore the ordinary dress of their civilized sisters. The youngsters were clad, with reference to the upper part of the body; the lower half exhibiting a shocking disregard of the properties. One little urchin who gambolled about was roofed over by a great hat, beneath which little could be seen only a pair of spindling, a copper-colored legs – the whole forming a unique combination of nature and art.
After the party had satisfied their curiosity, gazing at the natives, shaking hands and eliciting the friendly question, “How?” a circle was formed outside the tents, the Indians seated in the centre, and the interpreter introduced to the Chief, Senator Thayer, of Nebraska [John Milton Thayer], who made a little speech. To this “Big Mouth” responded, stating that he was a man of peace and was glad to meet his friends, whom he had no doubt had heard of him before. His tribe, he said, was poor, and any presents which might be made them would be very acceptable.
The aborigines then favored the visitors with a little specimen of their dancing, accompanied with the beating of a drum and a low, guttural chant, and a box of trinkets, provided by the excursionists, was distributed, to the delight of the juveniles, though the elders looked on gravely, as if they would have preferred to the gifts food and clothing to help them in their struggles with the coming winter, rather than necklaces and dolls. Many witty things were said and done by the wags of the party (and some things neither witty nor sensible); a song was sung by the glee club; our photographer took a sun sketch of the mingling of civilization and barbarism; and about noon the train moved on.
Hmmmm. You can see a felt hat at the feet of the man in centre.
As far as I know, this is the only visual record we have of Big Mouth:
Hi guys, it would be a great discovery if we could give Big Mouth a face. Dietmar, the article goes very well with the photo. From women's clothes to the chief's hat (eagle eye grahamew!). Big Mouth was - for all I know - a twin brother of Blue Horse. Here is a little assembly. I also think I can see a certain similarity. Maybe some friends from Pine Ridge or Rosebud can add something.
Post by kingsleybray on Dec 18, 2020 17:40:05 GMT -5
Big Mouth with 200 followers (about one third of the entire Loafer or Wagluhe band) left Fort Laramie late in June 1867 at the request of the Fetterman Investigative Commission, to relocate to the new Upper Platte Agency at North Platte City, Nebraska. Interpreter Leon Palladay managed to blag the whole outfit free transportation on the eastbound Union Pacific cars. The party debarked at North Platte on July 8th.