Post by kingsleybray on Mar 1, 2010 6:12:12 GMT -5
Dietmar, I am about to leave on a business trip (back Wednesday night) - no time to say anything but am delighted and amazed to see this!! Awesome!
Lone Horn Rattling Ribs and Long Mandan I saw straight away, and now I'm 'getting' Spotted Elk and Red Skirt. (I thought the resemblance between Spotted Elk and our friend Calvin Spotted Elk was striking). More later
Post by kingsleybray on Mar 1, 2010 6:39:40 GMT -5
grahamew - Spotted Elk aka Big Foot was born ca. 1826, just 11 or 12 years after Lone Horn. Spotted Elk we now think was the son of the first One Horn (the man painted by Catlin and kiiled by a buffalo bull in 1835), then taken into the household of his kinsman the younger Lone Horn.
I´m pretty sure about the IDs so far, but what about the man sitting second from left? I can´t find him in the big 1875 delegation photo.
Perhaps the photo has nothing to do with the delegation trip, but if it has, it´s worth to take a look at the list of delegates. These are the names from a newspaper article of 1875:
New York Times, June 7th, 1875:
"H. W. Bingham, of the Cheyenne River Agency; Rev. S. D. Hinman, one of the newly-appointed Commissioners to negotiate the transfer of the Black Hills; Major Seville, Indian Agent for North-west Nebraska, and William Fielder, Goverment Interpreter. On reaching the New York side of Desbrosses Street Ferry the party were conveyed in carriges to the Grand Central Hotel, which will be their head-quarters during their visit in New-York. The names of the chiefs composing the embassy are as follows: Lone Horn, Long -Mandan, White Swan, Charger, Rattling Rib, Spotted Elk, Bull Eagle, Red Skirt, and Duck."
Now, what about Bull Eagle and Duck?
"...the sub-chief named Duck, whose color is several shades lighter than that of his brethren. Duck's appearance, while more intellectual than that of his superior, is by no means as warlike.
"...Bull Eagle , one of the most athletic Indians who has ever visited the East. His height is over 6 feet 4 inches, his muscles betoken immense strength. His occupation is to drill the "braves" of the tribe for war, an superintend their actions in the field. His countenance, in contrast to his occupation, is rather of a mild and humane cast."
Thank you for the reminder. Yes, Thompson & Scott as well as Bartlett produced CDV photographs with their studio imprint for the Cheyenne River Agency. Still struggling to find much information about them, however.
I'd have to agree with grahamew on this one, the man sitting on the far right certainly has a look of Low Dog.
That low, heavy hair line is very distinctive, as is the surly look, and I have to say that having looked at what must be thousands of images of Sioux men by now, I've not seen any other men with a similar hairline.
Having said that I have to admit that i can see a certain resembelance to Red skirt, particularly in the mouth, although I would argue that the hair line, although similar, is quite as thick and low, but then given that I am always looking out for new images of Low Dog, I would say that wouldn't I?
My first reaction was: Low Dog, but he's too old and I don't see what he would have been doing there at that time. Once you realise who the others are, you have to look at who would fit and when you see the photos of Red Skirt, it is him - though now I'd like to know who that is in Greene's book, because it doesn't look like Red Skirt.
Post by kingsleybray on Mar 10, 2010 7:32:41 GMT -5
Just examining the new 1875 Cheyenne R. delegation photo, and I see what looks like a rawhide horse effigy cutout hanging from Spotted Elk's neck. And is Lone Horn holding a pipe, stem pointing upward, with pipe bag hanging between his knees?
The delegation left Cheyenne River on May 1, 1875, travelling up the Missouri on the steamer Nellie Peck as far as Bismarck. They then took the Northern Pacific east to St. Paul, continuing by rail via Chicago to Washington.
That is William Fielder the CR interpreter standing with the group, who also went to DC - cf his photo to the 1875 delegations group shot elsewhere on the boards.