Interesting photo. Taken, purportedly, in 1879 by Huffman: Captain Baldwin and Cheyennes making a trail around Lionite Bluff.
Assuming that's the headman wrapped in his blanket next to the man with the beard (Baldwin?), I wonder who he is.
The mix of dress, with some of the men in trousers and jackets and others in leggings and shirts, is quite interesting considering that this is a comparativley early photo, although, of course, we don't know the exact circumstances behind it.
Baldwin is the same man who harried Sitting Bull on his way to Canada? And fought in the Red River War? And was invloved in the Ghost Dance troubles, photographed here (by Grabill), after the event, with Cody and Miles:
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I believe the 2nd photograph was taken during the Chief's Counsel at Pine Ridge in January of 1891 that followed the Massacre at Wounded Knee. See the thread 'Pine Ridge Jan. '9' for photo comparisons, Cody is wearing the same clothing. The 1st man on the right is George C. Crager, the 2nd from right is unknown to me.
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and the native man kneeling on the left to me looks very much like Little Wound ( I would disagree with the comment in which he's identified with "Two Strike") .
Here's Little Wound, in a Mitchell photograph (1877)
I'm sure he's the same man in the unidentified photograph. Little Wound was a delegate in the 1872 (curiously enough, it seems that Gardner didn't take his photograph in his series) , 1875, 1877 and 1880 (was in later delegation as well, but obviously this is a 1870s photograph).
"Don't ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody."
I just ran across this site and I think I can help several of you. An ancestor of mine was Indian Agent at Rosebud 1886-1890 (L.F. Spencer.) I'm been actively researching my ancestor, his contemporaries, and the events of the time period almost full time for 7 years (I'm 63 and retired.) I have relationships with many tribal members as well as archivists, authors, researchers, and staff at many gov't archival sites.
Thanks to all on this board who responded to me. I will communicate personally to those emails, but post informational things here for all to see. After I asked above who was here (backgrounds), I stumbled onto your intro web page and now have a very clear view of the representation. It's very nice to meet a group so varied and so international where this knowledge can be spread.
For those who visited my web page (just a simple one-pager to capture people who may search for Col. L.F. Spencer), the books I mentioned are "in progress." As a career mechanical engineer by training (now turned historian/anthropologist), I needed a research organizational structure and the four "books" I outlined are convenient "buckets" to organize with and deposit into. I've promised my wife that I will eventually publish them! I could sit down now and write them all (a fictionalized biography of my ancestor with a main theme of government intervension and culture clashes; a photo "album" of the original photos I inherited and collected with a theme of "treaty" renegotiation and delegations to Washington; a personal novel about the agent's daughter -- things that one discovers in the course of "research" that are too juicy for acedemia; and personal tales of research and writing.) I WILL produce these - eventually - after all, I've promised my wife! But, I have many other projects that continually take priority -- I'm sure any of you who research can understand.
I can state that I am the world's greatest expert on Col Spencer (and probably the only person in the world who cares.) As an former engineer, I value precision and validation. I've helped the Smithsonian, historical organizations, and tribal members identify people in photos and find family history. I can also state that I'm NOT a genealogist, and as careful as I am in photo IDs, I'll be grateful and (somewhat) humble in being proven wrong.
I have so much information and so many photos that I'll attempt to put out answers to posted questions in pieces. (Could someone tell me how to upload images? I haven't stumbled on that yet -- in fact I'm using a "quick reply", so maybe that's in another place. I'm very computer and web literate, but would welcome posting advise!)
again welcome to these boards. I´m looking forward to your postings.
In order to post pictures to this board, the photograph must be on a server. If you do not have access to server space, the easiest way is to send digital photos (.jpg or.gif) to me (SchMoehring@aol.com) or to Diane Merkel (LBHA@cox.net). We will put the photos on our server as soon as possible. Please just say where you want them to be posted (category/thread name).
If you have access to a server, it is easy to insert your photos. Simply place the photo's address within the image tags, so it looks like this except that brackets are used rather than parentheses: (img)http://www.yourdomain.com/SittingBull.jpg(/img)
With a little experimentation and help from Dietmar, I can (hopefully) display some photos now. If you see a photo of my great-great-great uncle (my great grandmother's uncle) Col L.F. Spencer and Spotted Tail Jr. in this post, then we've been successful!
My posts and photos will primarily address the period of 1886-1890. The most significant events effecting the Lakota were the Sioux Commissions of 1888 (Pratt) and 1889 (Crook), and the 1890 events surrounding Sitting Bull and Wounded Knee. Although all these events dealt with the 6 "Sioux" agencies (Rosebud, Pine Ridge, Standing Rock, Cheyenne River, Lower Brule, Crow Creek -- sometimes mistakenly called "reservations", which they became after the Great Sioux Reservation was broken up in 1889), my focus has been on Rosebud.
I'll try and work my way through this thread by addressing comments I have to the posts in order, so you may have to jump back a few pages (unless the ability to reply directly to a post in the thread is added.) In particular, I'll try and add to photos regarding delegations to Washington and Spotted Tail family members.
This post showing Spencer with Spotted Tail Jr. is a good jumping off spot. There is much confusion about Jr. (especially some things that Hyde gets wrong in his books.) He is often confused with William and vice-versa. More on that as we go forward, but for now -- here's my uncle Colonel Lebbeus Foster Spencer (Colonel and Major were "honorary" titles given to agents; "Libbeus" sometimes appears in error -- his mother was illiterate and documents which she signed with an "X" sometimes had his name spelled phonetically with the "i".)
Dick, the photo is visible now. Thanks for sharing! Wonderful picture. Do you have a date or information on the photographer?
We had seen Young Spotted Tail in the delegation photos in Washington in 1877. There is at least one more photo of him with Red Cloud. I think that William Spotted Tail was a younger brother, who went to Carlisle in 1879 and later was with Buffalo Bill´s Wild West Show. Perhaps we should start an own thread about Spotted Tail´s sons in the Brule section.
Btw, in the first reply of this thread is a link to an article on Colonel Spencer.
Let's address the first photo on the first page of this thread. In Oct, 1888 chiefs and headmen from the 6 agencies went to Washington (the famous photo on the Senate steps.) In addition to that group photo there are delegation photos for each agency taken in Washington. Prior to Washington, in September, 1888, agency delegations were sent to Lower Brule to meet with the Pratt commission. Things were going badly for Pratt (he didn't even visit all 6 agencies, because failure to secure 3/4 of adult males was a certainty.) There are "delegation" photos from September at lower Brule, of which the first photo in this thread is one -- Standing Rock with Major James McLaughlin. (Why was McLaughlin an honorary "Major" and Spencer a "Colonel" -- it's a mystery I haven't been able to solve -- other than perhaps personal preference.)
The Sept. Lower Brule photos were provided to the press with ID's (are you getting excited?) Below is a document which has information on each delegation:
Some cautions: The names are simply listed, not necessarily corresponding with any order in the photos. Also, there may be people missing or others not listed included in each photo.
BUT! This document is probably the best existing clue to photo IDs from those September Lower Brule "delegation" photos. Some of you have already commented on IDs. I'm not 100% certain of all IDs, so I won't comment myself.
Since this document may be hard to read in the post, if you send me an email I'll send you a jpg. Also, if you wish, I have a very clean copy of the Senate steps group photo which I can email. It has all the ID's (readable at the bottom.) Drop an email to email@example.com.
Another caution: some of the photos I have are restricted (e.g. I bought scans and must get permission for further use, or they are downloaded with permission), so at times I'll post a low-res version. I'm happy to provide the citation in any case so you can go to the source yourself. Please respect possible restrictions by going to the source directly if you plan on using any images for publication.
Dietmar: Why didn't the above image show in my post? (You can copy the link and see it.)
Your questions: In a letter I found (Jul 31, 1887), Spencer described the photo session with Spotted Tail Jr., Crow Dog, and Swift Bear "in Omaha", but states no photographer. In future postings, I'll provide information on Jr., William, other sons, Carlisle, etc.
The article you refer to on this thread is about me! I've done a lot of publicity work and lecturing around Spencer's home town (Spencerport, NY. outside of Rochester) in order to solicit information on the family and time period.