Chief Smoke and his family

[kingsleybray]

agnes, I've been slowly putting ideas together, but I stress that's all this is - an informed guess as to how these relationships work. But what could be the hub is the family of Standing Bull (Tatanka Nazin) I. He was an active war leader by the mid-1770s so I suggest he was born in the slot ca. 1735-40. His family belonged to the original or True Oglala band. By the mid-19th century his lineal descendants (Standing Bull II, Oglala head chief in 1825, still alive in 1832; Standing Bull III, active in the 1850s; Standing Bull IV, active in the 1870s and forward) were identified by Makula (Left Heron) as belonging to the Hunkpatila band, which was really a part or sister band of the True Oglala.

The relationships that Wendyll talks about would work if we consider that three daughters of Standing Bull married:
(a) Man Afraid of His Horse I (Kuhiyan band, connected to Kiyuksa, born ca. 1750/5), became parents of Man Afraid II, born ca. 1780
(b) Bull Bear's father (Kiyuksa band, born ca. 1760), became parents of Bull Bear, born ca. 1785/90
(c) Parts of Body (Sihasapa band, born before 1770?), became parents of Smoke, born ca. 1790s

The above three men came from outside the Oglala tribe but married into one of its leading tiwahe during roughly the 1780s. In this way they 'became Oglalas'.

The children of these three marriages, including Man Afraid II, Bull Bear, and Smoke, would have called one another brother and sister.

I repeat this is a model of what might have been - any comments would be welcome from white folks and NDNs!

Kingsley

[agnes]

Dear Kingsley!

Interesting infos, thank You! Apparently the Lakotas don't lost the tradition of hereditary chieftainship of their Dakota kinsmen. But the available sources, especially the reports of the contemporary travelers, ongoing from 1680 a bit confusing. Or I haven't the best accessing to all such sources?

Just for example: Standing Buffalo discovered the Black Hills in 1778. Lewis and Clark recorded two Oglala names in 1804: Bad Wound and Stabber. There's no Standing Buffalo. This name re-appears among the signers of the Treaty of 1825 but after no mentions about him again....

Yes, I understand the Lakota relationship system in general. A "cousin" would be the son/daughter of the sister of the ego's father. Or the son/daughter of the brother of the ego's mother.

Therefore I thought that the cousin relationship between Bull Bear and Smoke came from the mother side.

At least three sources mention the name of the father of Bull Bear:

1. George Little Wound Interview: "Little Wound... was the son of Bull Bear and grew up in a very powerful family of the Kiyuksa Band. This band was led by Stone Knife, Little Wound's paternal grandfather." (Ricker: Voices of the American West: The Indian Interviews, p.232.)

2. Little Wound himself said the following: "My father was a Mihunka to all the people... He told me of the year when They Made the Ceremony over Each Other with the Horses' Tails. His name was Bull Bear. This year was before he was born. His father's name was Stone Knife. He was shaman and the head chief of the Oglalas. He helped to make the ceremony of the horses' tails." This ceremony happened in "1805 in the No Ears winter count". (Walker: Lakota Belief and Ritual, p.219, 301n21.)

3. source came from Hardorff's book, I mentioned earlier.

Probably Bull Bear was born in 1806? At least We know his father's name.

And We could to suppose that Stone Knife somehow related to the father of Thunder Tail, a member of the Hokayuta band. Thunder Tail's father was the originator of this Hunka ceremony according to the book, Lakota Tales and Texts. Probably these men were Hunka brothers?

Yours sincerely:
Agnes

[kingsleybray]

Agnes

a number of points, in a kind of reverse order:

First: Thunder Tail's account of the hunka ceremony in Fr Buechel's collection LAKOTA TALES & TEXTS.

I feel this story is drawn from the life of Thunder Tail's father (his ate or "father" in Lakota terminology, which might include paternal uncles and so on), who was the famous Oglala leader Black Twin (ca. 1825-1876), and refers to a hunka ceremony that he sponsored ca. 1850. Ceremonies like the hunka were constantly subject to adaptation and innovation, hence the frequent claims that such a person originated the ceremony. But the hunka or calumet adoption ceremony is clearly reported in the very earliest written accounts from French explorers and missionaries in the late 1600s. Robert L. Hall in his outstanding study of native American religion, AN ARCHAEOLOGY OF THE SOUL, documents just how very ancient this kind of ritual is in the American mid-continent. So accounts like the JR Walker one of the 1804-05 'making of the ceremony of the horses' tail' refer to new twists on a very old theme - in this case I would surmise that the new dimension is to do with horse symbolism.

Secondly: Bull Bear's father etc. Walker's LAKOTA BELIEF & RITUAL is one of the fundamental references and sources on what interests us all! But I feel that the statement attributed to Little Wound, that his father Bull Bear was not born until after the 1804-05 hunka ceremony, must be in error and perhaps an interpreter's misunderstanding of what LW actually said. My reasons are that (a) the portrait of Bull Bear painted from life by Alfred Jacob Miller in 1837 shows a man still vigorous but clearly older than 32 - which would be the oldest possible age if we take the Walker statement literally.
(b) Traveller Wislizenus met Bull Bear in 1839 and described him as "rather aged, and of a squat thick figure".
All in all I suggest that BB was probably born in the 1790s.
Note also that besides the identification of Stone Knife as his father we have two other possible names:
(i) Another Ricker interview, with Pine Ridge Res. official Wm Girton, identifies BB's father as Bull Hoop
(ii) the interviews conducted with the Bull Bear family in 1931 by Scudder Mekeel name Bull Bear's father as White Swan.
In theory these could all be names for one man, alternatively we may have three brothers, all of whom BB could have called his father or ate.

Thirdly, Standing Bull I: I think he was probably born say the late 1730s, therefore by the time of Lewis & Clark he would be nearly 70 if still alive. By that age he would very likely have retired any active political leadership, so not a surprise that L&C don't name him in their Lakota leadership tabulation. His son (or, possibly, grandson) SB II is named as the Oglala head chief at the 1825 treaty, and is mentioned in the Cloud Shield winter count under 1832-33, when all his horses were killed by persons unknown: clearly a feud or political quarrel. I don't know when he died or retired.

But fascinating to speculate on those marriage connections made into Standing Bull's family at the end of the 1700s. Through the early 18th century, Victor Douville told me, the Oglalas had a reputation as a weak and "divided tiyoshpaye", content to let the Brules take the lead in political arrangements. I think this changed in the last quarter of the 18th c., with the Oglalas taking an increasingly independent role, pioneering new hunting ranges and so on. Standing Bull's dynastic arrangements could be interpreted as part of an Oglala strategy of maximising inter-band alliances etc., building up their status in the Lakota nation.

Kingsley

[plund]

Does anyone know if he had a daughter named Pretty Woman that married Alex LeBeouf (LaBuff Sr) in a Sioux Ceremony at Ft Laramie??

[W. Smoke]

Old Man Smoke or Šóta {pronounced Sho-tah} was born in 1774 & died in 1864 nearby Fort Laramie Wyoming at the age of 89. He died from natural causes of old age. Chief Smoke was the head Chief of a major powerful & prominent tribe, the Hunk-pa-ti-la, later on, better known as the Dominant Oglalas, of the Great & Powerful Teton Lakota Sioux Nation, amongst all the other Great & Mighty Sioux Nations & other Northern American Indian Tribes. I mean the Original Head Chief, but now days some people don’t know or disrespect him!

His Reign was around 1800 to 1864; "61 or 63 years."

Chief Smoke was a great Horses Capturer & a great warrior in his youth, & later on, his status became so major & prominent. The people & the Chiefs Council of Lakotas decided to appoint him as the head chief. When Chief Smoke did a great deed for the people, the people gave him each an eagle feather, so after awhile somebody made a headdress for him. When Chief Smoke stood or walked in full headdress, there was a magnificent train of eagle feathers trailing or draging on the ground for many feet behind him. Chief Smoke’s height was 6’5, & his weight was at least 250 pounds but he was muscular & stature.

He had 4 Lakota wives & 1 Cheyenne wife; 1st Looking Cloud Woman of the Teton Minni-con-ju Sioux, 2nd Comes Out Slow Woman of the Teton Oglala Sioux, 3rd Burnt Her Woman of the Teton Si-can-gu Sioux, 4th Yellow Haired Woman of the Southern Cheyenne Tribe & 5th Brown Eyes Woman of the Teton Hunk-pa-pa Sioux.

Chief Smoke father 1 daughter & 9 sons,
Daughter: "Ulala" Smoke a.k.a. Spotted Horse Woman. Sons: H.C. Red Cloud, Chief Bull Bear III, O.H.C. Man Afraid of His Horses I, Chief Solomon “Smoke” II, Chief American Horse I, Chief Big Month, Chief Blue Horse, Woman Dress & Chief No Neck

O.H.C. means; Original Head Chief & H.C. means; Head Chief

The adopted sons:
Red Cloud because his parents died around 1825, & Bull Bear III because he was feuding with his own family. All of the rest of them were Chief Smoke's biological daughter & sons. Big Month & Blue Horse were Twin Brothers & born in the same year as their Cousin/Brother Red Cloud, 1822.

Chief Smoke was from the Teton Si-ha-Sa-pa {Black-feet} Sioux, & Teton Hunk-pa-ti-la {The Camp at the End of Circle} Sioux. Chief Smoke's father was Body Parts, & his mother was Looking Walker Woman.

Chief Spotted Tail’s father; Tangle Hair was the cousin to Chief Smoke thru Smoke’s father side, the Black-feet Sioux band & that making Spotted Tail a nephew to Chief Smoke. Spotted Tail’s daughter; Bring Water requested a wish to be buried by the old Chief Smoke when she died. In 1865 Bring Water died at the age of 18 & she was placed by her grandfather Chief Smoke’s scaffold. She got her final wish.

Chief Smoke’s sisters;
White Cow Woman & Walks as She Thinks.

White Cow Woman had 2 sons; Chief Lone “One” Horn & Chief Black Bull II with Black Buffalo.

Note: Black Bull took his brother’s name Lone Horn after he got killed in 1835 & Black Bull adopted his brother’s son; Spotted Elk a.k.a. “Big Foot” as his own son.

Walks as She Thinks, had 1 son; Chief Red Cloud with Chief Lone Man.

Chief Smoke's Leadership was shaken in 1834 & 1841.
Because his close cousin old Bull Bear wanted to be the dominant chief of the Hunk-pa-ti-la, so Chief Smoke had to split the tribe in two divisions. But Bull Bear kept on feuding with Chief Smoke, & threw some dust in his face, & calling him & his division: the Bad Faces {It-Shi-ca}. Bull Bear’s division was called: the Cut off or Bear people {Kiy-ya-ksa}. But old Bull Bear got killed by Red Cloud in 1841. That’s how we became known as the popular name; Oglalas {Scatter Their Owns}.

In 1851, the treaty: Man Afraid I, took up most of the responsibilities of the leadership from Chief Smoke. Because Chief Smoke made him as an Honoring Shirt-wearer in the 1830’s, & made him the next chief to lead the people. He appointed Man Afraid I a main-head man in 1851. But Man Afraid I, was pushed aside when Chief Smoke died in 1864, & again at the Treaty of 1868 by Red Cloud, the head Agents & Major General William Tecumseh Sherman of the U.S. Government.

The body of Chief Smoke was removed & sent to the Smithsonian Institute after couple days of his death by an Army Surgeon stationed at Fort Laramie, but 130 years later. The remains of Chief Smoke were return to the Smoke family in 1994, they buried him by the town of Porcupine, South Dakota. On that War-shirt of Chief Smoke, that was a gift to Col. William Collin from Chief Smoke, & now it's in the Smithsonian Institute.

After Chief Smoke died, his 4th son: Chief Solomon “Smoke” II & his grandson: Chief Wendell Smoke try to keep the traditional leadership going in the Smoke family. It died out after Wendell Smoke died in 1920, but Wendell’s direct great-grandson: Wendyll Smoke is trying to restate it today. Maybe one day the Smokes will see the leadership returned to their family. In 1915 Wendell Smoke had his only son; Melvin “Emil” Smoke. Sadly Emil died in 1967, but he has 3 children Vi-na, Edward & Benjamin Smoke who are alive today. Emil has 5 grandchildren carry the Smoke name; Oleaupi, Wendyll, Gwendyllyn, Šótah C., BJ Smoke & 1 great-grandson Zhaine Smoke. There were 2 daughters of Emil but the 2nd daughter died in 2002 & her named was Bertha Smoke; 44. Emil has 12 grandchildren & many great-grandchildren. But only 1 carry the Smoke name & that is Zhaine! Emil never succeeded to the position of the traditional chief & his sons; Edward & Ben don’t want it. Old Man Smoke; 89 {1774-1864}, “Smoke” II; 60 {1835-1895}, Wendell Smoke; 44 {1876-1920}, Emil Smoke; 52 {1915-1967}.

The Smoke family was the most prominent & dominant family amongst the Lakotas during the 18th & 19th centuries.

The Pine Ridge B.I.A. Papers says: the Smokes are 31/32 Oglala. The Smoke family is mostly Oglala, but also from the Si-ha-Sa-pa, Si-can-gu & Minni-con-ju Lakota Sioux. The American Horse I & Woman Dress Families is apart Cheyenne, & not the Smokes.

There are 9 original Smokes who are alive today, & who are the direct descendants of the old Chief Smoke. The oldest to the youngest; Vi-na Conroy Smoke, Edward Smoke, Benjamin Smoke & Oleaupi Good Lance Smoke, Wendyll Smoke, Gwendyllyn Smoke, & Šótah Conroy, Benny Smoke Jr. & Zhaine Smoke.

The founder & writer of Indian Country Today, Tim Giago said; "If there was so called a throne among the Lakota or Sioux people today. The Red Cloud family would be the royal family & Chief Oliver Red Cloud would be sitting on the Lakota Sioux throne." But one of the old Chief Smoke's direct grandsons, Wendyll Smoke says different; if you trace the history back, you would see there are two old original lines that came out of the old Chief Smoke; the Man Afraid & Smoke families, who are the rightful royal heirs, if you put it in that fact. So it is possibility that Chief Man Afraid I's direct great great grandson, Ed Afraid of His Horses or Chief Solomon “Smoke” II's direct great great grandson, Wendyll Smoke would be sitting on the Teton Lakota Sioux throne of today!

Contact: W. Smoke

These Sources are true & confirmed by Wendyll Smoke & Vi-na Conroy Smoke

[Dietmar]

W. Smoke,

thanks bunches for all the info above. Many things I´ve never heard of, but very interesting indeed.

Greetings

Dietmar

[hreinn]

W. Smoke: Do you know why Smoke and Man Afraid of His Horse made up/belonged to the same thiyóšpaye, that is Hunkpatila thiyóšpaye, as Worm (Waglula) and Crazy Horse ?

W. Smoke: Do you know why Smoke and Man Afraid of His Horse made up/belonged to the same thiyóšpaye, that is Hunkpatila thiyóšpaye, as Yellow Eagle, Standing Bull and Buffalo Tongue (Hunkpatila Akicita) ?

W. Smoke: Do you know the family relationship between Smoke and Man Afraid of His Horse to Worm, Crazy Horse, Yellow Eagle, Standing Bull and Buffalo Tongue who were all known to belong to the Hunkpatila thiyóšpaye ?

Best regards,
Hreinn

[debstar76]

Hello Mr Wendyll Smoke,

I am a relative of yours, My GGGrandmother was Ulala/Eulalia aka Owns Spotted Horse Woman. My Grandfather was Thomas Conroy, his father was Ulala's oldest son John Conroy. I have a question about a picture I saw in the book by Severt Young Bear, called Standing in the Light. There is a picture that says it is of Chief Smoke, and he looks very young! I was wondering if this is of the Old Chief Smoke or of Soloman Smoke who was Severt's Grandfather and was also known as the Young Chief Smoke. And one more question, I've read that White Thunder Woman and Walks with White aka Pretty woman, were also sisters of Smoke/Shota, can someone verify this for me.
Thanks so much, this is a wonderful website!
Deb

[W. Smoke]

Deb,

Hello, I know the Conroys direct lineage of their family tree, Ulala Smoke a.k.a. Spotted Horse Woman was the only daughter of the Old Chief Smoke and his first wife; Looking Cloud Woman of Teton Minneconju band. Ulala was first married to old Bull Bear (one of his wives; the youngest wife), but he was abusive and aggressive to her. So her cousin/brother Red Cloud killed old Bull Bear in 1841 (one of the reasons that Red Cloud killed him for), then after awhile Ulala got interested and, later on, married (second married) a Irish military officer and a interpreter; Thomas John Conroy at Fort Laramie Wyoming. They had two children; a boy (American Baby/Boy) John and a girl unknown. John had one son named; Taylor, he had one son named Eli, he having three sons; Arlo, Cornell and Corbin Conroy. They’re alive today, and are the direct great-great-grandsons of Ulala Smoke and Thomas Conroy. Cornell gave me some papers on Ulala and Thomas.

Now on that picture of Chief Smoke in Severt Young Bear’s book; Standing in the Light: seeing Lakota ways. That was Young Chief Solomon “Smoke”; fourth son of the Old Chief Smoke and his second wife: Comes Out Slow Woman of Teton Oglala. The photo was taken around mid-late 1860’s and Solomon was in his 30’s of age (1835-1895). Severt’s mother Sophie Smoke (1905-1971) was the second oldest sister of my mother; Bertha’s father; Emil Smoke (1915-1967).

Old Chief Smoke had only two sister; Cow White Woman (the mother of Lone Horn) and Walks As She Thinks (the mother of Red Cloud).

Contact: W. Smoke

[debstar76]

Thank You Wendyll, I never knew GGGrandmother Ulala was married before, How very interesting!
I do know that Ulala had about 5 or 6 children in her life, I only know the Mary was the oldest daughter born to Ulala and Thomas Conroy, she was born around 1855,and died in 1946, son John was born around 1858 and died in the year 1950. Ulala left Thomas Conroy around 1860 or so when he came home with another wife! Ulala had another son after 1864 a son named Frank who went by Conroy.
Son John married Luta Gerry daughter of white Post trader Elbridge Gerry and Indian wife Millicent, daughter of Fast Whirlwind. They had about 13 children, Taylor was the second son after Benjamin, my Grandfather Tom was the second from the last son.
Thank you so very much for you time, and your quik reply.
Deb

[W. Smoke]

Hreinn and others,

When Smoke became one of the main-chiefs, he excel the Hunk-pa-ti-la (Oglalas) and rest of the Lakota Nation into the new era. Smoke appointed the War-Leaders, and the sons of prominent chiefs and other Lakota men as the sub-chiefs or leaders who would be under him. The other Lakota bands looked up to the Hunk-pa-ti-la (Oglalas). Smoke became an important and major figure in his early-mid life amongst all of the Lakotas.

Man Afraid I (Smoke’s first born son and his successor) “Main-Headman and next head Chief”

Old Bull Bear (Eastern Oglalas of the Hunk-pa-ti-las, also known as the Kiyaska) “Main-Headman”

American Horse I (Smoke’s fifth son) “Main-Headman”

Yellow Eagle “Sub-Chief”

Standing Buffalo “Sub-Chief”

Buffalo Tongue “Sub-Chief”

Worm (Crazy Horse’s father) “Later on he became an important man amongst the Hunk-pa-ti-las”

Contact: W. Smoke

[Dietmar]

Hello Deb,

I don´t want to disturb your conversation with Wendyll, but I just want to say: Welcome to our boards! Great to have you here.

Thanks again to Wendyll for all the details. Your remark about Red Cloud ´s reason for killing Bull Bear brings new light to this matter.

I´ll try to order Severt Young Bear´s book...

[hreinn]

Wendyll Smoke: Thanks for your reply. It is very interesting to see the details of the Smoke family.

Oct 21, 2010 9:01:39 GMT -5 W. Smoke said:

The people & the Chiefs Council of Lakotas decided to appoint him as the head chief.

Was Smoke elected as one of the Supreme Owners of the tribe (Wicasa Yatapikas) ? Or elected as a Shirt Wearer ? (Wicasa Yatanpi) ? Or elected as one of the Big Bellies (Naca Ominicia) ?

Is it some kind of misunderstanding, confusion or totally wrong that Smoke had a sister called Bega who was mother of Spotted Bear ?
Is Bega another name for either Walks As She Thinks or White Cow Woman ?

Oct 21, 2010 9:01:39 GMT -5 W. Smoke said:

Walks as She Thinks, had 1 son; Chief Red Cloud with Chief Lone Man.

Was Red Cloud the only child of Walks As She Thinks and Red Cloud older ?
It is said after He Dog that his mother Blue Day Woman was a sister of Red Cloud.
George Hyde talks about multiple sisters of Red Cloud in his book Red Cloud's Folk. Hyde also tells that all these siblings were adopted by Smoke. Is this true ?
It is also sometimes said that the father of Black Buffalo Woman was brother of Red Cloud (but that is probably not a blood brother, but at most an uncle).

Since Ulala and Old Bull Bear got married, does that not tell us that Old Bull Bear was not related by blood to Smoke.
So all this talking about the family ties between Smoke and Old Bull Bear is just because of the marriage of Old Bull Bear and Smoke's daughter Ulala.
Which is in accord to what your uncle Adolf Bull Bear said, that is Smoke and Old Bull Bear were not blood brothers. But they were close like brothers (because they were son in law and father in law) and from the same household (because they were son in law and father in law living in the camp of the daughter (Ulala) that is in Smoke's camp) [see Reply # 32 on Jan 31, 2009 in this thread]
Which also is in accord to Little Wound, who repeatedly said that his paternal grandfather and father of Old Bull Bear was Stone Knife [see Reply # 46 on Jun 13, 2010 in this thread]. Since Smoke's father was Body Parts, it means that Old Bull Bear and Smoke were definatelly not blood brothers and probably not related by blood in any sense (at least not in the closest 3-5 generations).
It would be against Lakotas custom that Ulala and Old Bull Bear got married if they were blood related.

Oct 21, 2010 9:01:39 GMT -5 W. Smoke said:

The adopted sons:
Red Cloud because his parents died around 1825, & Bull Bear III because he was feuding with his own family.

Was one of Smoke's adopted son, that is Bull Bear III perhaps a son of Ulala and Old Bull Bear ?
This question arises because 1) the name of this boy 2) a possible father Old Bull Bear was murdered 3) a possible mother Ulala was Smoke's daughter and Ulala got married to a white man named Conroy as mentioned in above posts and perhaps moved away from Smoke's camp.
So this boy perhaps wanted to be with his mother's people instead of his father's people, which fits the description that he was feuding with his own family.

Oct 21, 2010 9:01:39 GMT -5 W. Smoke said:

White Cow Woman had 2 sons; Chief Lone “One” Horn & Chief Black Bull II with Black Buffalo.

Note: Black Bull took his brother’s name Lone Horn after he got killed in 1835 & Black Bull adopted his brother’s son; Spotted Elk a.k.a. “Big Foot” as his own son.

This is confirmed by the Clown family on a DVD disc from Reel Contact named "The Authorized Biography of Crazy Horse and His Family".
The Clown family confirm that White Cow Woman (aka Iron Cane) and Black Buffalo (b. 1760, d. 1816) had 2 sons. That is One Horn (b. 1794, d. 1834) and Lone Horn (aka Black Bull II) (b. 1804).
The Clown family also confirm that One Horn had 2 sons and one of them was Spotted Elk (aka Big Foot) who was adopted by Lone Horn when One Horn died.
But the Clown family add that this couple had also 3 daughters.
That is Good Looking Woman (b. 1810), Rattling Blanket Woman (b. 1814, d. 1844) and Looks At It (aka They Are Afraid Of Her) (b. 1815)
Rattling Blanket Woman is the mother of the famous Chief Crazy Horse (b. 1840, d. 1877).
Good Looking Woman and Looks At It (aka They Are Afraid Of Her) helped in raising up Crazy Horse after his mother got killed.
That means maternal grandmother of Crazy Horse was White Cow Woman (aka Iron Cane) (Smoke's sister) and maternal great-great-grandfather of Crazy Horse was Standing Buffalo I (b.1730-1750) (Smoke's paternal grandfather).

Smoke's parents were Body Parts (Blackfeet Lakota) and Looking Walker Woman (Hunkpatilla Lakota and Hunkpatila later became Oglala) who lived together in a Hunkpatila Lakota camp.
Therefore Smoke and his 2 sisters White Cow Woman (aka Iron Cane) and Walks As She Thinks were Hunkpatila Lakota.
The Hunkpatila Lakota White Cow Woman married to Miniconju Black Bull and they lived together in a Miniconju camp.
That means White Cow Woman the mother of the Miniconju siblings One Horn, Lone Horn, Good Looking Woman, Rattling Blanket Woman and Looks At It (aka They Are Afraid Of Her) was a Hunkpatila Lakota.
Therefore Crazy Horse's maternal grandmother was an Hunkpatila (Oglala) Lakota who lived among the Miniconju Lakota.
That means Rattling Blanket Woman moved to the Hunkpatila camp (Smoke's camp) which her mother once belonged to, where she lived with her husband Crazy Horse older (aka Worm (Waglula)).

W. Smoke:
When you say "When Smoke became one of the main-chiefs, he excel the Hunk-pa-ti-la (Oglalas) and rest of the Lakota Nation into the new era. Smoke appointed the War-Leaders, and the sons of prominent chiefs and other Lakota men as the sub-chiefs or leaders who would be under him"
Does that means that the Hunkpatila thiyóšpaye was not based on family ties like all or almost all other thiyóšpaye among the Lakotas. But rather on those who wanted to follow Smoke regardless of family ties ? So there is no further family ties between Smoke and Crazy Horse except that Smoke was brother to Crazy Horse's maternal grandmother ? So there is no family ties between Smoke and Crazy Horse paternal grandmother ? See the thread Crazy Horse's Oglala grandmother:

amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=oglala1&action=display&thread=796

I hope you don't get bothered by all these questions !

Hreinn

[hreinn]

Kingsley: You came up with interesting thoughts in a post in this thread on June 9, 2010 = reply #45.

amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=oglala1&thread=239&page=4

But there is one tiny detail which you (and I untill this day) missed from Wendyll Smoke in a post in this thread on Jan 29, 2010 = reply #26.
When you add this tiny detail with the very interesting and detailed informations from Wendyll Smoke in his most recent posts, this effects your guessing about 3 daughters of Standing Bull, see:

amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=oglala1&action=display&thread=239&page=2

Jan 29, 2009 4:27:52 GMT -5 W. Smoke said:

Old Smoke was from the Teton Si-ha-sa-pa {Black-foot} Sioux, & Teton Hunkpatila {The Camp at the End of Circle} Sioux.

His father was Old Body Parts, & his grandfather was Old Standing Buffalo of the old Teton Lakota Sioux in the late 1600's.

There Wendyll Smoke is telling us that Smoke's paternal grandfather was Standing Buffalo I and Smoke's father was Body Parts.
There is no mention of a daughter or daughters of Standing Buffalo I.

Therefore the family tree is like this:
Standing Buffalo I (b.1730-1750) + Woman with an unknown name had together at least 1 son, that is Body Parts (Parts Of Body). This family of 3 obviously lived together in a Blackfeet Lakota camp because Body Parts is always said to be a Blackfeet Lakota (it would be interesting to know if Body Parts was the only child or if there were other siblings).

Body Parts + Looking Walker Woman (Hunkpatila (Oglala) Lakota) had together 1 son and 2 daughters. That is Smoke (b.1774, d.1864), White Cow Woman (aka Iron Cane) and Walks As She Thinks. These 5 lived together in a Hunkpatila (Oglala) Lakota camp.

These 3 siblings got married and owned many children as outlined in above posts in this thread (I get the clearest view of the family trees by writing the names of the family members in an Excel file in a proper manner).

Therefore regarding your suggestion c):
Body Parts didn't marry to one of Standing Buffalo I daughters.
Body Parts and Standing Buffalo I were a son and a father.
Body Parts "became Oglala" because he married to Looking Walker Woman who was a Hunkpatila (Oglala) Lakota and Smoke's sister.

Regarding your suggestion b):
As written in posts above in this thread which have been posted since your last login, father of Old Bull Bear most likely didn't marry to one of Standing Bull's daughter to give birth to Old Bull Bear. Old Bull Bear is almost certainly not blood related to Standing Bull I / Body Parts / Smoke. But the connection between Old Bull Bear and Smoke comes along because Old Bull Bear married Ulala (aka (Owns) Spotted Horse Woman) who was Smoke's daughter.
Agnes did well by gathering 3 different sources for quotes of Little Wound who repeatedly said his father Old Bull Bear was son of Stone Knife and you did also well by gathering 2 other different sources for the name of Little Wound's father. If Stone Knife married to an unknown daughter of Standing Buffalo I and they had together Old Bull Bear as a son, then it would mean that Old Bull Bear and Smoke were so closely related that it would be almost out of the question that Old Bull Bear would marry to Smoke's daughter Ulala because of close blood relations.

Regarding your suggestion a):
I have no clue weather this is correct or incorrect. Or perhaps better said: No comments !

Your suggestion that the hub (starting point) of this family is Standing Bull I is correct.

Agnes: What you brought up in a post in this thread on June 13, 2010 = reply #46, is very interesting. That is if the Standing Buffalo who discovered Black Hills according to the Winter Count of American Horse for the winter 1775-1776 (you wrote 1778, do you remember where you saw that year ?), is the same Standing Buffalo as we are discussing here, that is Standing Buffalo I = the paternal grandfather of Smoke.
See the web page of the Smithsonian Institution for the Lakota Winter Counts online with full pictures, name of the winters and explanation texts for several Lakota Winter Counts (the best presentation of Winter Counts I have seen so far):

wintercounts.si.edu/

Hreinn

[kingsleybray]

Hi Wendyll, hreinn and everyone

I have been away for a couple of weeks and only just seen the new updates on Smoke and his family. Thankyou so much for posting more detailed information, Wendyll. I shall be studying it closely.

Wopila!

Kingsley