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Post by dT on Jul 28, 2017 19:00:57 GMT -5
i think the decision to go into Mexico is personal. you have to decide.
the best way to meet the Nde people - the Apaches - is to go to the Mescalero Reservation in New Mexico. Good luck!!
dT
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Post by mark2dgs on Aug 26, 2017 3:54:08 GMT -5
Hi, all- just a quick word from me: Went to the Sierra Madre and back in one piece!
Felt safe enough, while there.
There are ofcource army check points and heavily armed state police (they literally dine with their finger on their triggers!)
Special thank's goes out to Chi1, a member in here! Very kind and helpfull.
/Mark
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Post by juan on Aug 8, 2018 14:03:22 GMT -5
Hi, all- just a quick word from me: Went to the Sierra Madre and back in one piece! Felt safe enough, while there. There are ofcource army check points and heavily armed state police (they literally dine with their finger on their triggers!) Special thank's goes out to Chi1, a member in here! Very kind and helpfull. /Mark |
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Post by juan on Aug 10, 2018 20:25:57 GMT -5
Bui i believe died in afire that caught her dress. Guadalupe died in Italy look it up looking for obituary she also has a headstone.
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Post by philslf on Aug 14, 2018 12:18:16 GMT -5
No, it's Apache May, the little girl found by John Slaughter, who died in a domestic accident.
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Post by dT on Aug 17, 2018 21:18:35 GMT -5
mark2dgs
i hope that you will take time to describe your journey in more detail. where did you enter Mexico, what town? How high did you go in the mountains? What were the roads like? Did they let you camp in the Sierra Madre ... did you feel safe being there? I am curious.
best wishes,
dT
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Post by mark2dgs on Aug 18, 2018 13:09:40 GMT -5
dT,
I was hired to do research into the Sierra Madre Apaches for a documentary.
I made contact online with several people in Mexico. Some of these people claim Apache ancestry and I was invited to a gathering in the Sierra Madre.
For the duration of the 10 days I was there, every hospitality was extended to me and the documentary filmmaker who was with me.
Chi1 who is on this board lives in Cd. Juarez was our guide around Chihuahua City Apache sites and in and around Cd. Juarez.
He is a very kind and knowledgeable fellow.
The gathering was to be held on ranchland belonging to the family that had invited me in the first place.
They arranged the trip up to the town of Guachochi in the Sierra Madre.
From Chihuahua City to Guachochi, I think it was a ride of 5-6 hours. Beautyfull country. sharp curves up there and at one place there had been a mudslide on the road, so we had to rug it on a dirt road and cross a stream too.
We where put up in a local hotel and everywhere we went was in company of some of our hosts.
We were assured that it was safe and when asked, they said it had been so for about two years.
The police patrols we encountered where heavily armed and literately dined with hands on their weapons. Mounted machineguns on their vehicles. But yes, I felt quite safe, while there. In hinesight, one can allways cunjure up a tale or two..
Although I left the documentary in january, I will for now wait with further details. They also went to Mescalero Nm. And talked to people there.
Hopefully things will work out as there is quite the story in it.
All the best/ Mark
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 27, 2018 13:59:13 GMT -5
I am glad your trip went well. I await your results.
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Post by dT on Sept 7, 2018 22:48:57 GMT -5
Yes. I agree. The documentary will be very interesting. Please post more info when it comes out.
Mark - That was quite a brave trip ... on your part. its always easy to say ... looking back ... things werent so bad. But you didnt know that for sure, before you went in. Congratulations!!
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Post by Frankie norway on Jan 21, 2019 11:46:26 GMT -5
I have a book about Geronimo by Forrest Carter, U find me in the mountains. He says it was well documented that Geronimo himself before
he surrendered followed many families in the sierra madre to a place known as the high valley, apaches that didnt want to go to the reservation. Al Sieber scout accually warned him if u want these apaches to live free there u must surrender.
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Post by Chris on Feb 18, 2021 11:16:33 GMT -5
Hey, please, this is no hoax, I am Swiss. I came to San Juanito CHIH. in year 2000 with my dog, bought myself a horse to ride n a Packhorse an was traveling and live in Sierra Tarahumara until 2018. I found a very outstanding archeological site, a little very hidden green valley. I lived last 5 years in a Raramuri family and believe strongly it is not of Raramuri past. I reported site to Institute National de Archeology and visited place with Professor. After my research I believe it is the last strongholds of Chiricahua people.
I had to escape because of local Cartel violence as I was filming on a Documentary by then. I have records. If interested pls contact
chrislifestyle@hotmail.com
Again. This is not a fake.
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Post by 3774 on Jun 23, 2022 0:56:07 GMT -5
Hey, please, this is no hoax, I am Swiss. I came to San Juanito CHIH. in year 2000 with my dog, bought myself a horse to ride n a Packhorse an was traveling and live in Sierra Tarahumara until 2018. I found a very outstanding archeological site, a little very hidden green valley. I lived last 5 years in a Raramuri family and believe strongly it is not of Raramuri past. I reported site to Institute National de Archeology and visited place with Professor. After my research I believe it is the last strongholds of Chiricahua people. I had to escape because of local Cartel violence as I was filming on a Documentary by then. I have records. If interested pls contact chrislifestyle@hotmail.com Again. This is not a fake. |
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Post by 3774 on Jun 23, 2022 23:50:28 GMT -5
Hey, please, this is no hoax, I am Swiss. I came to San Juanito CHIH. in year 2000 with my dog, bought myself a horse to ride n a Packhorse an was traveling and live in Sierra Tarahumara until 2018. I found a very outstanding archeological site, a little very hidden green valley. I lived last 5 years in a Raramuri family and believe strongly it is not of Raramuri past. I reported site to Institute National de Archeology and visited place with Professor. After my research I believe it is the last strongholds of Chiricahua people. I had to escape because of local Cartel violence as I was filming on a Documentary by then. I have records. If interested pls contact chrislifestyle@hotmail.com Again. This is not a fake. . I have to ask what made you think this location is Chiricahua, There is no documentation stating that Apaches ever went that far south. |
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Post by coeurrouge on Jun 27, 2022 14:53:50 GMT -5
80 miles north were the Dolores mines and 90 miles northeast was Namiquipa which the Chiricahuas, mainly the Nednhis raided often so they certainly knew this area as a refuge in the Sierra Madre after their raids. And with their best strongholds Guaynopa and Bugasetka discover by Americans and Mexicans in 1880s', they needed a new one southern.
Also when you watch the map, the closer foothills of the Sierra Madre for the Chiricahuas who escaped their slavery status in Chihuahua city and its area were east of San Juanito. So maybe escaped Chiricahuas captives built a new community there.
Oral stories from Chiricahuas tell that in 1883/84, not all the Chiricahuas living in the Sierra Madre came to San Carlos. By my counts I think between 20 to 40 Nednhis hided in the mountains and were joined in September 1886 by Atelnietze and his little group. They would be known as the broncos and the ghost of the Sierra Madre. Apache's outlaws as Apache Kid and Massai joining them time to time or permanently
Just my guess
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Post by 3774 on Jun 28, 2022 5:07:43 GMT -5
80 miles north were the Dolores mines and 90 miles northeast was Namiquipa which the Chiricahuas, mainly the Nednhis raided often so they certainly knew this area as a refuge in the Sierra Madre after their raids. And with their best strongholds Guaynopa and Bugasetka discover by Americans and Mexicans in 1880s', they needed a new one southern. Also when you watch the map, the closer foothills of the Sierra Madre for the Chiricahuas who escaped their slavery status in Chihuahua city and its area were east of San Juanito. So maybe escaped Chiricahuas captives built a new community there. Oral stories from Chiricahuas tell that in 1883/84, not all the Chiricahuas living in the Sierra Madre came to San Carlos. By my counts I think between 20 to 40 Nednhis hided in the mountains and were joined in September 1886 by Atelnietze and his little group. They would be known as the broncos and the ghost of the Sierra Madre. Apache's outlaws as Apache Kid and Massai joining them time to time or permanently Just my guess possibly, but I don’t think they would have been able to form a community there as Mexicans would have eventually found out about it or more likely Tarahumara who had a confusing relationship with Apaches |
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