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Post by jeroen on Dec 24, 2010 6:56:55 GMT -5
 I think that the man standing in center (wearing uniform) is Daklugie, and my guess for the men standing far right: Toklanny and Martine... |
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Post by naiche on Jan 3, 2011 20:12:48 GMT -5
seems like Fun to me, what do others think? He isn't Fun. |
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Post by jeroen on Jan 4, 2011 8:03:59 GMT -5
I agree.
Also, a friend of mine asked about a Chiricahua mentioned by Eve Ball in her book Indeh... his name is recorded as Juan-si-kot-si and he was supposed to be in the band led by Geronimo and Naiche in the summer of 1886. Although one cannot take the testimony of Eve Ball's sources lightly, it seems there are several inconsistencies in her work. For instance, she also mentions Tsisnah as being part of the same group, while it has been established by Sweeney that he went with Chihuahua. I have not been able (yet) to identify the name Juan-si-got-si so far... Could it be an alternative name for Kilthdigai? Any thoughts on this?
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:40:48 GMT -5
 The men at right are, according to me, Besh and Zhonne but don't know who the man with the blanket is; does anybody know? That is Beshe and Zhonne for sure. I dont know who has the blanket on. |
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:42:13 GMT -5
I think that the man standing in center (wearing uniform) is Daklugie, and my guess for the men standing far right: Toklanny and Martine... Everyone in this picture is identified in one of Allan Housers books. This picture was taken at Fort Sill. Also, this image is backwards. Someone reversed the image. |
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Post by jeroen on Jan 25, 2011 9:50:09 GMT -5
Perico,
Do you have additional info on a man called Juan si got si? See also reply 47 in this thread...
Thanks.
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Post by kayitah on Jan 25, 2011 11:33:48 GMT -5
Perico, Do you have additional info on a man called Juan si got si? See also reply 47 in this thread... Thanks. I've read about or saw an image of a man named Se-got-set somewhere, but right now can't regall the source... |
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 16:23:43 GMT -5
Perico, Do you have additional info on a man called Juan si got si? See also reply 47 in this thread... Thanks. Juan Pedro, aka Pedro Juan, and Juan Seegotsi. His mother was Yuan. He had two daughter. The mothers were different. He died of Phthisis pulmonalis on April 29, 1892 in Mount Vernon Barracks, Alabama. He was a corporal in Company I. |
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Post by naiches2 on Jan 25, 2011 16:37:26 GMT -5
Perico, Do you have additional info on a man called Juan si got si? See also reply 47 in this thread... Thanks. Juan Pedro, aka Pedro Juan, and Juan Seegotsi. His mother was Yuan. He had two daughter. The mothers were different. He died of Phthisis pulmonalis on April 29, 1892 in Mount Vernon Barracks, Alabama. He was a corporal in Company I. Here photo of Yuan's tomb  |
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 18:36:58 GMT -5
I dont think its Fun.
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Post by jeroen on Feb 1, 2011 8:35:35 GMT -5
A rare image of Loco, does anybody have a larger version?  |
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Post by kayitah on Feb 6, 2011 13:47:11 GMT -5
Wonderful image, Jeroen. I haven't seen this before, so I don't have it in better quality, sorry.
May I ask where you found it? I guess there are still dozens of Wittick & Randall photographs we haven't seen...
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Post by jeroen on Feb 7, 2011 4:02:25 GMT -5
I found it in the collection of the Museum of New Mexico. It has more Wittick/Randall images and the link is: econtent.unm.edu/index.php |
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Post by kayitah on Feb 8, 2011 17:37:35 GMT -5
Thank you very much, Jeroen. I just found out that I already saved all the images from the collection on my computer, missing this lone photo of loco!  |
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Post by perico on Feb 9, 2011 4:17:44 GMT -5
I think that the man standing in center (wearing uniform) is Daklugie, and my guess for the men standing far right: Toklanny and Martine... The man wearing the uniform is (Benedict) Jozhe. Full brother of Fun, Tsisnah, and Jahkinishishn. Half brother of Perico. He was the youngest of the siblings. The woman in the front row on the left is Dorothy (Naiche) Kawaykla, daughter of Naiche, wife of James Kawaykla. The woman on the right in the front row (cut off, far right) is Dolly (Perico) Mithlo, daughter of Perico, wife of Lawrence Mithlo. This picture was taken at Fort Sill, Oklahoma around 1910 - 1912. |
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