Crazy Horse and relatives

[kingsleybray]

Thanks Emily for posting this interesting piece. Like you I think Crazy Horse would have been dumbfounded to learn that people who were linked to his own family were using wasichu courts to deny other relatives their status as errrr relatives. Flies in the face of Lakota ways.

[lincoln]

Hreinn
Apologies for the long delay. Taken from notes made from information sent to me by various sources in the 1970s. From notes and later publications I append the story of Coffee’s claim. The respected Donavin Arleigh Sprague in his ‘Rosebud Sioux’ makes reference to it with the added information that the claim was unsuccessful ‘on the basis that Coffee was not a blood relative of Chief Crazy Horse’. He also adds that Coffee was a deaf mute. If Coffee was a deaf mute it seems odd that the Agency Superintendent W.O.Roberts did not say that about him: he merely said that ‘Coffee is very deaf.....” Even if he didn’t interview him personally he must have spoken with the persons who did and one would think they would have said he was deaf and dumb if that was the case, not just that he was ‘very deaf’. Mr Sprague says that a man called Henry Standing Bear (about whom much is written) wrote letters, presumably to Roberts or the Dept of Interior, to the effect that Coffee was not related as claimed; don’t know why he got involved? Although claims legislation was passed from 1889 on it was not until 1928 legislation to fully investigate same was effected and then not until 1933 that the money was made available for ‘individual’ claims that were deemed proved as investigated by, and decided by, the Dept of Interior. In the case of claims made at Spotted Tail Agency the 1870s Agent, Lt Lee, had already investigated claims made in his time and those he had already found proved were accepted by the Dept of Interior as suitable for payment. This was one of those claims: made by a man named Crazy Horse for two horses stolen in 1877 at forty dollars each, (by fifty years later when the actual payment was sent to Pine Ridge it seems to have reduced to one horse and around fifteen dollars). Coffee claimed entitlement to the payment since the original claimant party, Crazy Horse, had been long dead. In 1831 the Dept of Interior acknowledged Coffee’s heirship claim under reference ‘R.30 Rosebud Agency’, the claim taken by Rudolph Miles, signed by the interpreter Foster Jannis; witnesses Kills The Enemy Cold and Stephen Brave Bird swore that Coffee’s statement was true. His statement, dated Mar 23 1931 reads:

Q. Are you enrolled on the approved rolls of the Rosebud Agency
A. Yes
Q. What band do you belong
A. Crazy Horse
Q. Was Crazy Horse a member of the same band
A. Yes
Q. Was Crazy Horse engaged in hostilities against the United States at the time the loss occurred.
A. Yes
Q. When did the loss occur
A. 1877
Q Where did this loss occur
A. Niobrara River, Nebraska
Q. How did Crazy Horse lose the horses
A. They were put out in the the evening and were missing in the morning
Q. Who told you of this loss
A. He went out looking for the horses and they were missing
Q. Did Crazy Horse see the horses taken
A. No
Q. Did he know who took the horses
A. He never saw who took them but he knows the white men took them.
Q. How long ago did Crazy Horse die
A. 188? *
Q. How old are you
Q. 73
Q. Did Kills The Enemy Cold and Stephen Brave Bird see the horses taken
A. They didn’t see who took them but they heard that they were taken.
Q. Has this claim ever been presented to the government before for payment
A. No
Q. Did Crazy Horse, or have you, ever received any payment either in money or supplies or any consideration from the US from any official of the government for this loss
A. No
Signed by the thumb print of Making Coffee
(* difficult to read, is either 1883 or 1888)
The census returns for Todd, S.D. show: Foster W Jannis, 50yrs, male, Indian, mar., head, Government Worker. Stephen Brave Bird was one of seven sons of a man called Iron Shell; one of Stephen’s brothers was called Hollow Horn Bear who had his image on a postage stamp. The census returns show that Stephen was born about 1857 and in the 1930s was a widower living at Township 38,Todd, SD. A contemporary descendant of Stephen is Mary Ellen Moore, a Brule from Rosebud. Kills The Enemy Cold – nothing known.

It seems Coffee asked about the state of the claim frequently. The Rosebud agency, wrote to Pine Ridge on June 14 1934 to ask whether it had been paid out yet and if so, to whom, The Dept of Interior, at Pine Ridge, replied that it had not, the reason being that they could not determine which individual by the name of Crazy Horse had actually made the claim. The reply reads:

Dear Mr Roberts, Superintendent, Rosebud
This will acknowledge receipt of your letter of June 14 regarding Coffee No 2 and his probable interest in the pony claim of Crazy Horse. This money has not been distributed for the reason that we have been unable to ascertain which Crazy Horse it was that lost these horses but we have been informed by quite a number of Pine Ridge Indians that the Crazy Horse from whom the pony was taken was our allottee No 3955, and if this the case Coffee No 2 would not be one of the heirs.
The Crazy Horse that we think has this claim lived on the Eagle Nest District and his allotment was near the mouth of Pass Creek in Washabaugh county. I will appreciate it very much if you will question Coffee No 2 and see if that Crazy Horse is the proper man. Another way you can identify him to Coffee No 2 is that he was married to a half-breed woman who was the daughter of old Todd Randall.
I will appreciate anything you can do to help us to identify this Indian for we are anxious to get this money distributed to the heirs.
Very truly yours
Signed James H McGregor
Superintendent

The census returns show that Albert Crazy Horse, aka Greasing Hand, was the Crazy Horse who was at Pass Creek,Washabaugh, SD. He and his wife, Ellen, nee Larabee are on the 1892, 1894 and 1895 returns as being at Pass Creek district. Same in 1920: ‘Albert Crazy Horse, 67 yrs, born abt 1853 at South Dakota, Indian, male, head, married ...plus Ellen, etc’. The woman he was married to was the daughter of Long Joe Larabee, not Todd Randall. She was, of course, a former (common-law?) wife of the warrior, Crazy Horse, at the time of his death at Robinson. Albert is likely the Crazy Horse buried at Grave 1, Section 15, Wanblee Catholic Mission Cemetery on Nov 26 1927 aged 76rs. So this Crazy Horse also was dead before the claim came to fruition.

The reply that Roberts sent to McGregor, dated July 2 1934, was:

Dear Mr McGregor
Referring to your letter of June 21, there is enclosed statement of Coffee No 2 in regard to the pony claim allowed Crazy Horse. Coffee No 2 is very deaf and it is difficult to get testimony from him. We trust the enclosed statement will be of assistance in settling this case.
Yours very truly,
W. O . Roberts, Superintendent

The enclosed statement that he sent reads:

Statement of Coffee No 2 in regard to pony claim allowed Crazy Horse:
There were three Crazy Horses. Out of those only one Crazy Horse was allotted and he was allotted on the Pine Ridge Reservation and died at Wanblee on the Pine Ridge Reservation not very long ago. The second Crazy Horse was the famous Crazy Horse killed by soldiers at Fort Robinson, Nebraska. The third Crazy Horse is the man who put in a claim for a lost pony and which was allowed by the government. This claimant had one daughter and one son. The daughter’s name was Looks At Her and she was my mother. I am the only child. The son’s name was Crazy Horse and he was the famous Crazy Horse who was killed by soldiers at Fort Robinson, Nebraska.
The allotted Crazy Horse who died at Wanblee recently was known as Crazy Horse because his mixed blood wife was formerly the wife of the famous Crazy Horse who was killed by soldiers at Fort Robinson, Nebraska.
Signed:(Thumbprint of) Coffee No 2.
Witnesses:Lottie Jorgenson and Jacob LaPointe
Subscribed and sworn before me this 26th day of June 1934 - Charles Brooks, Senior Clerk Rosebud Agency

Census return for 1930 shows: Charlotte ‘Lottie’ Jorgenson, fem, b.c1916 S.D., resident of Yakima, Washington; Jacob H Lapointe, male, b.c1876 Nebraska, Indian mar, resides Todd, S.D. W. O. Roberts is on the 1930 Return living at Dewey, SD: born c.1890 in Missouri, head, mar.,Indian Agent.

Not many days later the Rosebud Agency again wrote to the Pine Ridge Agency: in a letter addressed to McGregor dated July 7, 1934 Charlie Brooks sent a statement taken from from two material witnesses, Brave Bird and Afraid Of Eagle. The statement of interview reads:

Q. State your names, ages, residences, and tribe
A. Brave Bird, age 76, residence Rosebud Sioux Indian, Afraid of Eagle, age 76, post office address Parmelee, S.D., Rosebud Sioux
Q. A claim for one lost pony has been allowed Crazy Horse. Did you know this Crazy Horse
A. Yes
Q. When did he die
A. Four years after this agency was established.
Q. How many times was he married
A. Twice.
Q. Who was his first wife
A. We don’t know the names of either wife but they were sisters he was married to.
Q. Did he have any children by the first wife
A. They had two daughters. One died when she was small and the second is the mother of this man, Coffee No 2
Q. How many times was she married
A. Just once.
Q. What other children did she have besides Coffee No 2
A. She had three children, and Coffee No 2 is one of them. The other two died long ago before this agency was established, before their parents, single and with no issue.
Q. When did her husband, that is the father of Coffee No 2, die
A. He died long before this agency was established. He died before his wife.
Q. When did the second wife of Crazy Horse die
A. She died three years after her husband died.
Q. What children did she and Crazy Horse have
A. They had three girls and one boy.
Q. Are they living or when did they die
A. They are all dead now. All the girls died single, and with no issue, before their father and mother. He has married twice. His first wife died before her husband. They had one son died before 1876, single and with no issue. His second wife died not very long ago at Wanblee on the Pine Ridge Reservation. (I) don’t know her name. They had no children.
Q. Did she have a husband when she died
A. After this famous Crazy Horse died she married another man by the name of Crazy Horse. Soon after she died her second husband, Crazy Horse, died. They had no children.
Q. Is there anything further you want to say
A. No, That is all.

The statement ends with the the thumbprints of Brave Bird and Afraid Of Eagle and the names of witnesses Lottie Jorgenson and Jacob LaPointe. Note that the agency was established 1879 The interview is ambiguous, probably lost something in the translation (?) Brave Bird is likely Stephen Brave Bird. The census returns show an Afraid Of Eagle born also about 1857, mixed-blood, widower, living at Township 39, Todd. As in effect the government was looking for Indians to whom to give money (the amount being already allocated) you may consider it significant that the only one to come forward as an heir to Crazy Horse, snr. was this man Coffee No 2. Throughout the many years it took it seems that no one put forward a name of anyone else as heir.

[hreinn]

Lincoln !

Great research and great post !
You have been studying this since 1970s !
That is a long time.
And it shows up in the details.


From your post I see now in what context Victoria Conroy wrote her letter.
That is; why the date was 1934 and why she addressed the letter to McGregor superintendent at Pine Ridge.


From your post we can see that Coffee was the 4th lakota person who left a testimony regarding that Crazy Horse had a sister (along with Little Killer [1], Mrs. Eagle Horse [2, 3, 4] and He Dog [5]).
2 of these 4 said older sister (Little Killer and He Dog):
1. Little Killer; "He [edit He=Club Man] had married Crazy Horse's older sister" [1]
2. He Dog; "Crazy Horse, the son, was one of three children The oldest was a sister, the next was Crazy Horse and the third was a brother" [5]
Of these 4 sources, Coffee was the only one who gave her name (Looks At Her).


If Looks At Her was older than Crazy Horse 3, then she must have been born between 1830-1839.
Based on the date of birth of Cofffee (b. 1858) + Crazy Horse 3 (b. 1840) + Rattling Blanket Woman (b. 1814) + Worm (Crazy Horse 2) (b. 1810) and that Looks At Her, Rattling Blanket Woman and Worm could have their first child at the first when they were 16 years old.
If we narrow the age of the parents when they had their first child to 20 years old, instead of 16 years old.
Then we can narrow the date of birth for Looks At Her to 1834-1839.
Richard Hardorff gave her date of birth as "about 1838", in his book The Death of Crazy Horse, page 56


Unfortunatelly Coffee was not asked about his father's name.
As we can see from your post, he was only asked about his father's date of death.
As that was the most interesting question at the time !
All the 4 sources for Crazy Horse's sister, mentioned only one sister.
Adding this to Little Killer's information [1], Coffee's father = Looks At Her's husband must have been Club Man.
As has been discussed earlier.


The only uncertainty regarding Coffee is if Coffee would have been exploiting the fact that Crazy Horse had a sister and pretending to be her son.


What is your oppinion on the possible existance of a second pair of Coffee and Looks At Her ?
That is a mother with the name Looks At Her (a sister of Rattle Blanket Woman) and her son with the name Coffee.
As mentioned in an article in Lakota Times in 1986 as discussed earlier in this thread.


Do you know why the part "No. 2" was added to the name of Coffee ("Coffee No. 2") ?
Was it something related to different version of Coffee's name; "Making Coffee" vs "Coffee No. 2" ?


Are you aware of any blood relations between Crazy Horse 3 (b. 1840) and Old Iron Shell (b. 1815) ?
There are up to 3 indirect hints/indications to that.
None single hint/factor says much.
But if taken together, then questions arises.
1. It seems that both Old Iron Shell and Rattle Blanket Woman (Crazy Horse's mother) had an Aske/Askhe Mnikhówozu band family background/roots. [7]
2. There was a hunka relationship between Crazy Horse 3 and Old Iron Shell. [6]
3. Stephen Brave Bird (Iron Shell's son) was a wittness to Coffee's statement.


Hreinn


References:

1. Hinman's interview with He Dog, July 7, 1930, as published in "The Nebraska Indian Wars Reader 1865-1877" ed Paul, University of Nebraska Press, 1998, page 210
2. Richard Hardorff "The Oglala lakota Crazy Horse", J M Carroll & Company, 1985, page 32
who quotes; Interview with Mrs. Eagle Horse, June 1918, Camp Manuscripts (Camp Papers), Box 4, Folder 8 (transcript p. 271), University of Indiana Library.
3. Kingsley Bray "Notes on the Crazy Horse Genealogy: Part 1
who quotes; Interview with Mrs. Eagle Horse, June 1918, Camp Manuscripts (Camp Papers), Box 4, Folder 8 (transcript p. 271), University of Indiana Library.
www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/CrazyHorse-Part1.htm
4. Ephriam Dickson, Biography of Club Man
who quotes; Interview with Mrs. Eagle Horse, June 1918, Camp Manuscripts (Camp Papers), Box 4, Folder 8 (transcript p. 271), University of Indiana Library.
www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/ClubMan.htm
5. Hinman's interview with He Dog, July 7, 1930, as published in "The Nebraska Indian Wars Reader 1865-1877" ed. Paul, University of Nebraska Press, 1998, page 186
6. The thread Crazy Horse living with Sicangu
amertribes.proboards.com/thread/698/crazy-horse-living-sicangu
7. Kingsley Bray "Notes on the Crazy Horse Genealogy: Part 1
www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/CrazyHorse-Part1.htm

[lincoln]

Hreinn,

No - not since 70s, only in 70s.

If I interpret Donovin Sprague correctly Coffee No 2’s father was Coffee, ie Old Coffee. (see ‘Rosebud Sioux’ page 34). That does not preclude him from having been known by another name, as so many were.

In her December 1934 letter to McGregor Mrs Conroy makes no mention of the Coffee family and she seems a person worthy of credence. Though, nothing to suggest she was more reliable than Coffee. It may be that the correspondence from Henry Standing Bear referred to by Sprague is corroboration of what she says, the two being (half) siblings? She knew of no person connected to any recent bloodline claimants because she said “....there are no living blood relations nearer to him than my sister and I .....” and her relationship was only that Crazy Horse senior was her grandma’s brother. It would be interesting to know if there is anything relevant in the ‘other’ Conroy letter.

Is one of the attachments to Emilylevine‘s post above a copy of the Lakota Times mentioned? (I am unable to view ‘attachment’ photographs on this forum – just get an X in the attachment box and an error message)

There is on the internet a site called “Geni”: it lists the genealogical tree of Looks At Her, (total of eighty eight people listed). It gives her husband as Coffee No 1 and their son as Coffee No 2. I don’t know where the site got its information or how accurate it is, there are no source references. (www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000014483528287 - address given: Customer Support, MyHeritage Ltd. PO Box 50, Or Yehuda 60250, Israel).

As you know, the husband of Looks At Her is said to have been Club Man, which originates from Eleanor Hinman’s notes of 1930 of her interview with his brother. On the face of it Mrs Eagle Horse corroborates Hinman. The author Ephraim Dixon found Club Man’s wife appearing as Asks for Water (Mni okin ci win) and that after Club Man’s death she was called Walks In The House. (Not necessarily the same person as Looks At Her but could be). In the story of Crazy Horse’s knife Looks At Her is said to have been also known as Laugher (and Laughing One) and finally Big Woman, citing the CH surrender ledger. However, Laugher is shown on that ledger as a widow and War Club’s lodge separately shows two adult males, ie him and Owns Arrow, and two unnamed adult females.

The LDS file has a user-contributed file (by username jptrforeman2381637) for Club Man at Ancestral File Ref 1T67-N26: Club Man, born c1851, Lakota Indian, married c1866 to spouse Eagle Horse b.c1845; parents of Club Man given as Club Man b.c1825 and Horse CRAZY b.c1838, d.c1900, married c1852; parents of Horse CRAZY given as Worm, Wagula, Ta-Shunka-Wit-Co, Crazy Horse 1811-1881 and Rattle-Blanket-Woman c.1815-1844; parent of Rattle-Blanket-Woman given as Lone Horn b.c1770; parent of Worm given as Makes The Song b.c1786; father of Makes The Song given as Sioux Warrior b.c1740. Note the relatively late ages of fathers here. (site is familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1 /MZ7Y-XM7)

[alexander]

Please don`t think bad of me, but I would like to know what is “Victoria Conroy Letter”
What is the problem with it? Why there is disputing about it?

Can you put this letters here?

[alexander]

here is from William J. Bordeaux «Custer's Conqueror» :

The marriage of the Laravie woman to Crazy Horse has naturally excited some controversy. To satisfy my own curiosity and to obtain all the facts I could, with regard to his questioned union, I visited Tom Laravie, who now resides at Norris. S. D., in Mellette County. In my interview with Tom he told me that he was born in the state of Colorado, on August 1st, 1864, and that he will be 80 years old this coming August. The woman in our story was his half sister and her maiden name was Nellie Laravie.
«My father, Joseph Laravie, was married twice. His first wife was a full-blooded Cheyenne and she was called Chi-chi by her tribesmen but the Sioux referred to her as [Sahiyela winyan] meaning Cheyenne woman. From this union four daughters were born. They were Mrs. Mike Dun, Nellie or Mrs. Crazy Horse, Mrs. Scotty Philip and next Mrs. Cory Otterback. They were my half sisters. With the death of their mother, my father married Susan Metcalf and the following children were born: Phil, then Alex, then Bill, myself, Tom, and Dick the youngest. Only three are now alive: Mrs. Cory Otterback, my brother Bill, and myself.
My sister Nellie married Crazy Horse in the spring of 1877 when Chief Spotted Tail induced him to come to the Agency from the Powder River country. She continued to live with him until he was killed by a military guard at Post Robinson, Nebraska. My sister Nellie had no children but Crazy Horse by his first wife, Black Robe Woman, had three children, two girls and one boy. As to how and when my sister married Crazy Horse I can still recall the incident although I could not have been over 11 or 12 years old. When the northern Sioux moved into our village we were all excited for Craze Horse by then, was regarded as a great hero by the tribe in general. A few days after their arrival, my sister did not return one night, so, in the morning my father and mother went to look for her. Before noon my mother returned and I heard her telling my older brothers and sisters that they had found her in the lodge of Crazy Horse for she was married to him. I was told in later years that my sister had offered herself up to him in marriage and that he accepted her proposal and took her for his second mate. This was customary among the Sioux on certain occasions.»

[hreinn]

Lincoln;

Good research and just/justly conclusion by you that Looks At Her would not also have been known as Laugher.

It would be interesting to find out how many persons were actually behind the names:
1. Looks At Her (Ayútapi / Ayutapi / Ayutupuwin)
2. Asks for Water (Mni okin ci win / Mní okíčhíŋ wiŋ)
3. Walks in the House
4. Laugher (aka. Laughing One)
5. Big Woman
6. Wayankapi / Wayankapi win
Who all have been said to be Club Man's wife and/or Crazy Horse's sister.


"Is one of the attachments to Emilylevine‘s post above a copy of the Lakota Times mentioned? (I am unable to view ‘attachment’ photographs on this forum – just get an X in the attachment box and an error message)"

Yes, Emily Levine gratefully posted each of 4 pages of the article published in the Lakota Times.
Unfortunatelly, many attachments are not any longer viewable on this website.
Because this website "has exceeded its attachment space limit" on the server computer for this website.
Which is unfortunate, because one of the gems about this website are all the photographs and discussions about them.
It would be good if that problem could be solved.
For example, if this website could be hosted at another computer/server, which can handle all the digital information.
I have a copy of these attachments and I try to send them to you in a personal message on this website.


I also came across this website www.geni.com
As disccussed in a reply from June 23, 2012.
First I thought the information on www.geni.com was posted by relatives of the relevant persons or based on official records (for example Agencies Censuses).
But after having contacted in 2012 the person who was making and/or supervising the thread about Looks At Her and Crazy Horse and relatives, I realized that is not the case.
The information on www.geni.com is posted by interested people who gather there information which they are able to find, for example in books, DVD's and websites (for example this website).


The webpage:
familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1
is no longer accessible.


Hreinn

[dT]

today I finally realized what Crazy Horse was talking about in his vision. I had a complete misunderstanding of what he was about. Wow. That is a pretty heavy-duty vision. I have never heard of anything like that before. That one ... really makes you stop and think :-)

dT

[debstar76]

I just want to Thank you all for you hard research on our "Crazy Horse"! I for one would not have been able to put this all together..I understand now much more than if I have researched for myself...
Thank you for opening my eyes..to finally understand who his "relatives" were. It's absolutly Amazing...No other website could have done the same...you should be honored by the trust many have given to you by telling their family stories...not many have accomplished such trust..

[chicheman]

Hello,

I noticed in the post of alexander, Nov. 8 2013, the following statement in that report made by William J. Bourdeaux, who interviewed the brother of the second wife of Crazy Horse, Nellie Laravie, Tom Laravie :
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" here is from William J. Bordeaux «Custer's Conqueror» :

My sister Nellie married Crazy Horse in the spring of 1877 when Chief Spotted Tail induced him to come to the Agency from the Powder River country. She continued to live with him until he was killed by a military guard at Post Robinson, Nebraska. My sister Nellie had no children but Crazy Horse by his first wife, Black Robe Woman, had three children, two girls and one boy. As to how and when my sister married Crazy Horse I can still recall the incident although I could not have been over 11 or 12 years old. "
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Now that was amazing to me to read that Crazy Horse and Black Robe Woman (Black Shawl Woman, as usually known ?)had three children, two girls and one boy, as mentioned in Willam
J. Bordaux´s report. I always knew about only one child, a girl, that they had. Maybe that meant in a Lakota way, these were maybe a niece and a nephew in addition to their own child ?

Any comments and opinions of our Lakota friends and experts here ? What to think of this information ?

Thanks already for your help with my question.

chicheman

[kingsleybray]

chicheman, I would think your guess is right that these otherwise unknown children were "maybe a niece and a nephew". People with closer relations to Crazy Horse (like He Dog) only mention the daughter who died young. Any Lakota household was likely to have related or adopted children living in for shorter or longer spells.

[chicheman]

Thanks a lot kingsley, for sharing your thought´s. That was the only idea I had on that statement of Tom Lavarie,could been niece and nephew instead of their own children. I guess if Crazy Horse did have more than one child, this would have gone not unnoticed probably. BTW, of course I have your book on Crazy Horse, and it is really greatly done.
Thanks,

chicheman

[unknown]

Hello, Not trying to be mean, But True Crazy Horse Relatives are kept quiet, They know who they are, Its handed down, Too much talk about this and that, You need to look to Canada. Thats all I will say about it.

[nicolas (carlo)]

Worm and his wife Iron Between Horse had a son named High Horse.

I know Hreinn touched upon this on page 1 of the thread, but can someone please confirm (or refute) that this High Horse was the same boy also known as (Young) Little Hawk? From the evidence and conjecture I've read, I keep coming to the same conclusion: that Crazy Horse had just one 'real' brother (in the Euro-American sense, half or full), so they must be one and the same person...

[Note: I'm not trying to start a new discussion on whether Little Hawk was Crazy Horse's brother, because he was. He Dog, who not only was a contemporary of CH, but also extremely close to him, confirmed this. We also know from Leo Combing's statements that CH had a brother named High Horse. Two names for the same person?]

[ellich]

why dint he ever climed the other girl since they were married   and if she had the rigt to leave no water why did she go back to him/ WAS  little halk married  was that his brother name? thanks