Crazy Horse and relatives

[hreinn]

In a copy of a letter dated November 23, 1881 posted by cankpeopi on February 11, 2018 and re-posted by elvyn on August 13, 2022 in this thread.
There is a reference to another letter from November 10, 1881.
Is a copy of the 10th Nov. letter available ?
What exactly is written in the 10th Nov. letter ?


In the letter dated November 23, 1881, Eagle Hawk is approved as a designated representative of Hunkpatila tiyoshpaye after the recent death of Worm (aka. Crazy Horse 2) who had been the chief of Hunkpatila tiyoshpaye when he died.
Who was this Eagle Hawk ?
Was it Eagle Hawk son of He Dog (Chankahu Han tiyoshpaye = Sore Back band) ?
or Eagle Hawk son of Pawnee Killer (Tapislecha tiyoshpaye = Spleen band) ?
Both Chankahu Han tiyoshpaye and Tapislecha tiyoshpaye had earlier connections to Hunkpatila tiyoshpaye, as can be read in Kingsley Bray's writings.


Is a copy available of the certificated issued by Agent Cook to Eagle Hawk ?
What exactly is written in that certificate ?

[chadron]

This is part of an interview by Eleanor Hinman with Short Bull and John Colhoff as interpreter.

“I have seen two photographs of Crazy Horse that I think were really he. both showing him on horse·back. One showed him on a buckskin horse he owned, one on a roan. I have seen a third photograph that I am sure was he, because it showed him on the pinto horse he rode in the Custer fight. I cou ld not possibly make a mistake about that horse, and nobody rode it but Crazy Horse. The man who owns these pictures got them from soldiers who used to be at Fort Robinson. He has quite a collection of pictures of chiefs. I think he lives out in California now, near the National Park there. I do not remember his name.”

Anyone ever hear who this man is with this photo collection or is his collection known?

[Dietmar]

Hi chadron,

I don´t know anything about that collection, but would love to know. Not that I believe there could be such a portrait of Crazy Horse (how many photos of Lakotas on horseback were taken at all before September 1877?), but the quote "quite a collection of chiefs" sounds interesting.

[calvinspottedelk]

Nov 12, 2010 7:24:16 GMT -5 gregor said:

Well done hreinn!
As mentioned before, we will have to debate the issue for a long time. I myself consider a multi-dimensional approach in such matters very use- and helpful. We can’t exclude any reasonably source if we want to have a reliable result. Neither written documents of the dominant culture, nor family or oral traditions of the Lakota. We have to be careful not only about old paperwork, but also about alleged oral traditions. I myself have already experienced cases where the “oral tradition” originated from books and/or documents of the 19th century. The discussion is open now. Again, thank you for the compilation, Gregor.

Spotted Elk was left out. We believe he was a son of Stands on the Ground but others say he was the son of Stiff Leg. we are still researching as we don't have those probate records.

[calvinspottedelk]

Nov 16, 2010 20:22:32 GMT -5 swiftbird659 said:

OK, I have a question please? If the daughter of Lone Horn and Stands on Ground is Ida Crow or Two White Cows a sister of Bigfoot and Touch the Clouds would i be considered a relative or heir in some way to C.H. if my g,g, grandmother was Ida Crow or Two White Cows, Cheyenne River Sioux Allottee No. 2685,1862-1945 aka Ida Gets Off or Mrs. Luke Gets Off now Mrs. John Crow?

[nukemm33]

Hi Calvin,

I have a similar issue. I've been able to find some paths and records easily, however, my family that left Pine Ridge in the late 1800s and early 1900s are harder to track. But seeing what you mentioned above, I thought I'd briefly mention my family connection in case it helps in any way.

My 3rd or 4th great grandfather is Whirlwind. He had several children with my grandmother Good Cow and her older sister Good Wing (also called Pretty Wings). The children include Fast Whirlwind, Samuel Little Bull, Location Kills Ree (who married Fast Thunder), Jennie Wounded Horse (who also married Fast Thunder), Looks at White Cow, Rattling(who married His Fight/His Battle and Plenty Wounds), Against the Ground (Maria Francisca Red Track/Armijo), and Mary Hail (Wasu, who married Brown Owl). Looking at the probate records for Good Cow and Mary Armijo I was able to link back to Swift Bird and someone named Little Crow. Their probate records are also linked to an Iron Horse, Boxelder, and Blue Horse as well as several of the trader families.

Doing a DNA test, I was able to trace back to several families at Pine Ridge: Yellow Boy, Brave, Janis, Swift Bird, LeClaire, Lujan, Armijo, and Bettelyoun.

I think I have the familial links correct above, but I'm just going mostly off of census and probate records so I really don't know who was actually blood related and who wasn't.

[nukemm33]

My family was mostly Pueblo (of Taos and Zia Pueblo) who moved north to help build the adobe-style buildings that were used at Fort Laramie, but my grandfather Jose Antonio Lujan married a Lakota woman and lived there until about 1860. From what I can tell, he was granted 160 acres in Colorado and at this point his wife was forced to move back to Pine Ridge. One of her sons went back and lived with her, but most of her family stayed in Colorado and she married a man with the last name Armijo there, but he died within the first 2 years of them being married. She kept the Armijo name and then when she died allotted land at Pine Ridge to her children Margarita Lujan, Vicente Lujan, and Placido Lujan as well as her brother Samuel Little Bull and Location Kills Ree.

[texian]

My question has probably already been discussed previously somewhere on this board, but has there been any 'investigation' into what became of the daughter that Black Buffalo Woman that bore characteristics of Crazy Horse?

From my readings, I came across a reference to an interview that Eleanor Hinman had with He Dog, in it He Dog mentioned, "...many people believe this child was Crazy Horse's daughter, but it was never known for certain."