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Post by charlie on Aug 29, 2009 3:29:55 GMT -5
I think that Josephine Waggoner had miswritten the correct term "KIGLASHKA" with the wrong term "KANGISKA". If so was, we can quietly declare that Gall belonged to Kiglashka band by marriage and to Cheknake Okisela band by birth. Are you agree?
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Post by charlie on Aug 5, 2009 10:11:36 GMT -5
I always have seen the man with the hat lebelled as "Bird Chief - Comanche". Now, looking at your last images with more attention, also to me that man resemble to the Southern Arapaho.
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Post by charlie on Aug 5, 2009 9:01:06 GMT -5
Grahamew: yes, the man in the centre in your last photo is CHINO. And yes, the man knelling in the centre, with gun, in the photo "Alchesay again" is the same man of the last image posted by Naiches : ALCHESAY. It should be very interesting to know the name of all others warrior near him! Some infos about chief Chino? Thanks.
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Post by charlie on Aug 3, 2009 7:26:24 GMT -5
Wondelful images, Naiches! Have you more infos about chief CHINO?
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Post by charlie on Aug 3, 2009 7:19:21 GMT -5
Great images, really. But BIRD CHIEF (Asa Havi) was not Arapaho. He was a Comanche Penateka and also was called MILKY WAY.
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Post by charlie on Jul 8, 2009 9:49:39 GMT -5
Jeroen: about your Apache group image (above Chato) i have these identifications: from L to R: Tissnolthos - Yanozha - She Gha (third Geronimo's wife) - Zhonne - Kaytah - Martine - Kanseah - Laziyah (Nahbay's brother).
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Post by charlie on Jul 8, 2009 8:29:12 GMT -5
Jeroen: your man is CHATO (Apache Chiricahua) not CHAPPO. The photo was taken by Reed & Wallace in 1888 at Mount Vernon Barracks (Alabama).
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Post by charlie on Jul 1, 2009 9:59:09 GMT -5
In the 1877 delegation photo sitting between Red Bear and Spotted Tail is the son of this last, Spotted Tail Jr. I don't know the three chiefs in your starting photo. My suggestion is that sitting on left is Little Wound (Oglala). No idea about the two others.
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Post by charlie on Jul 1, 2009 7:35:35 GMT -5
EONE-AH-PAH aka TRAILING THE ENEMY was born in 1838, Kiowa Tribe, member of the highest Kiowa society, the Onde. His wife, a daughter of Satanta, was named AH-TOH-NAH. He was a leading warrior. He happened to be a guest in the camp of chief Black Kettle when it was attacked by Custer's troops in 28 November 1868. A group of 30 women and children fleed along the river bottom protected only by Trailing the Enemy with a bow and arrows, an eldery Cheyenne chief named Little Rock and a teenage boy named Packer. Major Joel Elliott with 16 soldiers chasing these fugitive. Little Rock had soon been killed and only Trailing the Enemy remain to defence the group. When Arapaho reiforcements reached the area, quickly surrounding Elliott's force and wiping them out. The brave retreat of the three warriors was a little revenge of the coward Army's attack. Later, he served as policeman at Anadarko and then as cow-boy at the Chain Ranch. He died in 1925. Great warrior!
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Post by charlie on Jun 29, 2009 5:28:51 GMT -5
Shatonska: sorry, but I'm not agree with you. The chief that you indicate as BULL BEAR is instead NEVA (and viceversa). I' don't think that Bull Bear was a very tall man, but a normal size, and the photo of your book dont help us for the comparison: there; Bull Bear is very old and in civil dress.
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Post by charlie on Jun 27, 2009 5:22:20 GMT -5
Again about the two contested persons (men or women?). It's very strange: they are only the two without hat or bandana. Nahbay and Laziyah at the time already were important warrior.... They seem garments too much simply regarding the others. It's only my suggestion, obviously.
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Post by charlie on Jun 25, 2009 2:24:29 GMT -5
I agree about the unknown warrior beside Tissnolthos: he must be Motsos or Kilthdigai. But are you sure about the others two unknown person? I don't think they are Laziyah and Nahbay, both 45 years old. Looking with attention the image, they seems to me rather two young women...
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Post by charlie on Jun 24, 2009 9:52:05 GMT -5
About the famous train photo: I confirm the identifications of the front row; - second row (L to R): JASPER KANSEAH - YAHNOZHA - ZHONNE - AHNANDIA - TISSNOLTHOS - unknown - HUNLONAH - unknown - unknown - BESHE - third row (only women, L to R): HAOZINNE - BIYANETA - NOHCHOLN - LEOSANNI (not TAHDASTE)
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Post by charlie on Jun 24, 2009 8:08:14 GMT -5
Thank you, Jeroen. Your details are very interesting! I can added that he belonged at the band called KOGUI (Elks) such as his famous father. Looking at his face, i belive that he was a very proud warrior... I waiting for others infos.
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Post by charlie on Jun 19, 2009 11:42:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the identification of CAYETANO and TSISNAH: I can be agree that the first is CONCEPTION, but I don't think that the "probably" Tsisnah is Jolsany (Ulzana's son); they are near in the council's photo and looks at the same age, not father and son... Very interesting the identification of NAICHE, that I did not know. And the warrior exactly behind Geronimo, seeds hidden (marked with ? by Jeroen) who shall be? My head is bursting!!!
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