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Post by naiches on Aug 1, 2009 14:44:01 GMT -5
Apache Tag Bands of Fort Apache and San Carlos Reservations (cit. Goodwin, Greenville (1969) [1941]. Basso, Keith H. ed. The Social Organization of the Western Apache. Tucson, Arizona: University of Arisona Press. LCCN 76-75453. propose to publish photos of leaders of Tag Bands A tag band - Chief Pedro After him - Alchesay M tag band - Chief Sanchez CF tag band - Chief Bylas CA tag band - Chief Tol-kli or Talkalai CH tag band - Eskinaspas TC tag band - Charley Nutt or Nott SB tag band - Antonio SC tag band - Woman Chief Captain Jack (census 1893)
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Post by naiches on Aug 1, 2009 15:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by naiches on Aug 1, 2009 16:12:13 GMT -5
L tag band Ft. Apache res - Chino
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Post by charlie on Aug 3, 2009 7:26:24 GMT -5
Wondelful images, Naiches! Have you more infos about chief CHINO?
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Post by grahamew on Aug 3, 2009 10:51:10 GMT -5
Here's another of Casadore Isn't this Casadore in at the right of the front row and Santo at the back (in the hat)? Diablo, Eskiminzin and agent Clum Is this Santo at the right? Is this Alchesay again? It's a detail from this(photographer - Miller; taken in Globe Arizona, 1899, by the look of it): Alchesay again: Is this Chino?
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Post by naiches on Aug 4, 2009 2:51:59 GMT -5
grahamew - Fank you for photos. But on Photo 'Alchesay again' 'Alchesay is absent. Nice photo.
charlie - I'm some read about Chino in "Mickey Free" by Allan Radbourne...
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Post by grahamew on Aug 4, 2009 4:17:06 GMT -5
Oh, I thought that was him kneeling in the centre of the front row.
I've seen a variation on the Miller photo on which 'Alchesay' is identified as Apache chief Black Foot. They were a group of White Mountain Apache scouts going to take part in some kind of exhibition in Phoenix and were picked because of their ability as horseman and marksmen.
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Post by naiches on Aug 4, 2009 4:34:02 GMT -5
Sorry grahamew, but this man is not Alchesay Look at this pic - THIS Alchesay These people do not like
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 4, 2009 7:03:31 GMT -5
naiches,
you started a terrific thread. Very interesting compilation of Apache leaders.
Thanks
Dietmar
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Post by charlie on Aug 5, 2009 9:01:06 GMT -5
Grahamew: yes, the man in the centre in your last photo is CHINO. And yes, the man knelling in the centre, with gun, in the photo "Alchesay again" is the same man of the last image posted by Naiches : ALCHESAY. It should be very interesting to know the name of all others warrior near him! Some infos about chief Chino? Thanks.
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Post by jeroen on Aug 5, 2009 11:07:02 GMT -5
I agree with Charlie, that the man in the middle is indeed Alchisay and that the warrior in the last photo is Chino, although there are some who mistakenly identify him as Juh. The picture was most likely taken in the early 1886. Also I think that the Apache posted by Naiches as Nosey is actually Becalthey as posted in the Naiche thread. Note close resemblance:
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Post by naiches on Aug 10, 2009 12:03:18 GMT -5
naiches,
you started a terrific thread. Very interesting compilation of Apache leaders.
Thanks
Dietmar Hallo, Dietmar! I am happy that someone interested in my hobby. Also I think that the Apache posted by Naiches as Nosey is actually Becalthey as posted in the Naiche thread. jeroen - I don't think that this man is Becalthey because Nosey is in the picture by Katherine Dodge attached above. See caption to photo. Here is zoom shot
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Post by jeroen on Aug 11, 2009 2:21:58 GMT -5
Just to make sure, I did not mean that Becalthey and Nosey are one and the same man, to me they look so much alike (nose, mouth, even the eyes) that I would not be surprised that there may be a mix up in the identification.
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Post by naiches on Aug 11, 2009 8:09:22 GMT -5
CB tag band - Toggy-Snoggy jeroen! I agree with you. Yes, these men are like
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Post by naiches on Aug 15, 2009 9:24:17 GMT -5
grahamew - on photo Isn't this Casadore in at the right of the front row and Santo at the back (in the hat)? man in back row at right - IMHO - is Eskinospos and in front - Casadore. Chief of TA tag band - Tonto chief Charley Pan or Cha-thle-pan.
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