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Colle
Jan 25, 2011 18:35:28 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 18:35:28 GMT -5
The first man is Caley or Cooley, as he was called by his fellow scouts and army comrades. He was a Cibecue Apache if I remember correctly. There should be something about him in Collins' book about the battle at Cibecue Creek. The secon man is Catle (Cutle, Colle, Cullah), a Chiricahua who was an independant leader with his own following. He visited Washington with the same delegation as Tahzay (Taza). Was he photographed during that delegation?
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 16:24:26 GMT -5
No problem.
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 16:23:43 GMT -5
Perico, Do you have additional info on a man called Juan si got si? See also reply 47 in this thread... Thanks. Juan Pedro, aka Pedro Juan, and Juan Seegotsi. His mother was Yuan. He had two daughter. The mothers were different. He died of Phthisis pulmonalis on April 29, 1892 in Mount Vernon Barracks, Alabama. He was a corporal in Company I.
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 4:02:15 GMT -5
In Sweeney's book it is noted that Naiche's mother (Cochise's wife) Dos teh seh was brought over to Canyon de los Embudos too and participated in the talks with Naiche, Geronimo and the others in March 1886. And that she was living with her daughter Naithlotonz... (that would make her a full sister of Naiche)... But Dashdenzhoos is not mentioned... I know she went to Mescalero in 1913... but what happened to her? She married Tim Kaydahzinne. They had 7 children.
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Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 3:57:15 GMT -5
I have yet to read the new Sweeney book. Im looking forward to it though.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:50:46 GMT -5
Ive heard they exist but have been unable to locate them.
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Taza
Jan 24, 2011 5:47:02 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:47:02 GMT -5
Chose promise, chose due... sorry, it's words from France. It means. things promised, things done.. No. The man on the left is NOT Victorio. It is definatly not him. Even though its published in James Kawayklas book.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:44:51 GMT -5
Here are Chief Chuhuahua and another Chino as old men. Exept. from A.Radbourne "Mickey Free": p.149-150 Radbourne cited Allen Smith, Jr. about Chiricahua Apache dance in "An Apache War Dance": '"big medicine man named Chino" who signaled the changes of tempo for drummers...'; and p.251: 'it is unclear whether the shaman, Chino, was the Chiricahua whose Apache name was as Tlol-glish and who, in late 1880s, was living among the Eastern White Mountain people as leader of the "L" tag band; or if he was the Warm Spring Apache of Loco's band listed at that time among prisoners at Mount Vernon. The Spanish sobriquet means "Curly"(!)' IMHO: At that time in that place could be a lot of people named "Curly" This picture is also taken at Fort Sill. Chino was a common name used. This Chino is the Chiricahua. There is also a Western Apache by this name. They are two different people.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:42:13 GMT -5
I think that the man standing in center (wearing uniform) is Daklugie, and my guess for the men standing far right: Toklanny and Martine... Everyone in this picture is identified in one of Allan Housers books. This picture was taken at Fort Sill. Also, this image is backwards. Someone reversed the image.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:40:48 GMT -5
The men at right are, according to me, Besh and Zhonne but don't know who the man with the blanket is; does anybody know? That is Beshe and Zhonne for sure. I dont know who has the blanket on.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:37:33 GMT -5
This is a great book.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:33:53 GMT -5
Maybe Shega. Shes never been identified.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:32:53 GMT -5
Geronimo was photographed with stuff like this on alot. Keep in mind he was being paid. Most likely whoever photographed him in stuff like this had him wear it.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:30:13 GMT -5
Enjuh translation: Its good.
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Post by perico on Jan 24, 2011 5:28:22 GMT -5
Peggy! How are you?
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