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Post by perico on May 6, 2010 10:21:26 GMT -5
Where did the identification on the women come from? Published anywhere or guessing?
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Post by perico on May 6, 2010 10:20:57 GMT -5
Ulzanna is the man 2 people down from the right of Chihuahua. He is sitting down. He has a boy in front of him with a white headband on, and another man sitting beside him. This is a positive identification. There is one other photograph taken at the same time as this one and has identifications on all of the men. In this photograph here are some of the men: Colle, Seelto, Negoltisin, Chihuahua, Eskinya, Dakeya, Lancer, Nana, Nadosr, Shuit, Ulzanna, Stalosh, Todasnege, and Petr. I visited few places, i saw little and to top it all i'm too nervousI have very rare photo of Chihuahua's band when arrived in Fort Marion april 16 1886. I think tall man in hat in center is Old Nana and to righ of him - Chief Chihuahua. Сan anyone identify the other people?
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Post by perico on May 6, 2010 10:02:57 GMT -5
This is a nice article. If you get an English version published I would like to add it to our tribal library.
Regards
Bryan
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Post by perico on May 6, 2010 9:49:26 GMT -5
Those 2 men are definatly the same man. (The Carlisle Photo, and the Canyon De Los Embudos Photo). Tsisnah. Tsisnah was a full brother to Fun and Jozhe, and a half brother to Perico. Charlie, I'm sorry but I can't really see the similarity between the two versions of Tsisnay that Dietmar posted for you. In my opinion the man I have always taken to be Ulzana in the various photographs we have seen of him, does not have those rather pronouced cheek pouchs and the slightly swollen look to the flesh above the upper lip that the man in the suit displays. Do we know how many other Photographs these two men appaer in? While I may be wrong---I know how different some people can look in different photographs---for the moment we will have to disagree on this one. Graham, once again we are i agreement, the man in the photo you posted does indeed have a look of KIcking Bear. Low Dog
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Post by perico on May 6, 2010 9:44:38 GMT -5
I am sure this is not Toclanny or Siki. Im not convinced it is Noche though either. Im still looking into this picture.
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Post by perico on May 3, 2010 9:36:58 GMT -5
jeroen, Thank you. Where did you get your identification from. The U.S. Military Institute has alot of them, but there where 2 I didnt know about. I have never seen them in one whole set and I don't know how many were actually taken. Perhaps Naiches2 can help you further as he has posted most of them here. I have this one identified as Toclanny and his wife (Siki) but I am not 100% on this:
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Post by perico on Apr 30, 2010 16:25:05 GMT -5
Can someone tell me where I can find the complete set of the Reed & Wallace set of photographs of the Chiricahua Apaches while they were prisoners of war at Mount Vernon Barrack, Alabama? I noticed there is some I have never seen here before with identifications that I dont have.
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Post by perico on Apr 30, 2010 15:56:30 GMT -5
This is Coonie, with his son Hugh Coonie taken in Mescalero. S verom u boga, za kralja i otadzbinuI'm think the man sitting under a Chatto is scout Coonie. Look at another photo And man standing between Naiche and Chatto look as Kaytennay
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Post by perico on Apr 30, 2010 15:52:32 GMT -5
This woman is one of Chief Locos wives. Sorry, not I have - Molly, 1889 Compare Ke-nai-didlg, 1886 Kaytah, I wanted to ask you if you uploaded Buehman's photos onto Farwest.it. If yes, how can get it in better quality
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Post by perico on Apr 30, 2010 15:46:39 GMT -5
I like Bay-kath-lay or Becalthey. He is chief of band of peaceful Chokonen exiled from San Carlos in sept. 1886 with Loco. Inf from Woodward B Skinner (Author): The Apache rock crumbles: The captivity of Geronimo's people Where did you find this picture? I would like to purchase this for the Fort Sill Apache Tribe.
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Post by perico on Apr 30, 2010 15:05:43 GMT -5
That man shown in the delegation is indeed Noche for certain.
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