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Post by dickmill on Feb 12, 2010 15:38:47 GMT -5
WHOA!!! I found the problem... For some reason (using both IE and Google Chrome), the ">>" for next page appears black on a dark grey background (sometimes!): I looked at the screen capture in my previous post and saw the ">>" in white which I hadn't noticed before. Going to pages with multiple threads several different times resulted in sometimes the ">>" appearing white and sometimes black. Diane, you were correct that it was there -- but, I couldn't see it! Dick
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Post by dickmill on Feb 12, 2010 15:19:53 GMT -5
Diane, I still can't find a "next/previous" link as you suggested. My screen on a typical multi-page thread looks thus: The "<<" and ">>" on either side of the "Spotted Tail's Family" at the top are not active links. I don't see any other way other than the "jump to page." What am I missing? As for font size, I prefer not to juggle browser zooms. I'm on the computer all day and see one or two hundred web pages, most of which are OK at 100%. I'll just "squint!"
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Post by dickmill on Feb 7, 2010 23:01:19 GMT -5
Duh! I never noticed the (obvious) attachment function -- there's always something undiscovered on these boards! I found navigation confusing at first, but now I can get around. I try to follow the posts of others to pick up clues.
One of the most confusing things is not being able to "jump" to a new page in a thread just by hitting "next" or "previous." At times I've missed multiple thread pages. Also, the font size is often a little small for "mature" eyes.
(I guess this should be posted in "site improvements.")
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Post by dickmill on Feb 6, 2010 19:53:53 GMT -5
Looks Good!!! Tell us how you linked it.
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Post by dickmill on Jan 26, 2010 17:15:08 GMT -5
From Frank Goodyear's "Red Cloud", page 50:
"For three weeks in the spring of 1880, Red Cloud accompanied a group known as the Indian School Committee on a visit to three destinations in the east....Led by Major ANDRUS [note: not Angus], the head of the Lakota agency known as Yankton..."
On page 51 is a photo of the Pine Ridge delegation in the same setting as the photo above.
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Post by dickmill on Jan 25, 2010 16:35:47 GMT -5
I have just spoken with Michelle Delaney of the Smithsonian about her book, "Buffalo Bill's Wild West Warriors: A Photographic History by Gertrude Kasebier." She would be very grateful for assistance with photo mis-ID's and I've referred her to this site. She is about to have an exhibition of the Kasebier photos and would like to make corrections to ID errors (and in future editions of the book itself.) I mentioned two photos that seemed to be mis-identified. The photo below on page 101, identified as American Horse, is really his son Samuel (does everyone agree?) And the following photo of "Spotted Tail" and family on page 54 isn't any Spotted Tail we know of. Michelle would be most grateful for ID help on this one.
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Post by dickmill on Jan 23, 2010 17:19:55 GMT -5
Graham: From my experience in reading Agent Spencer's bad handwriting, I think the caption says, "Knock Off Two & another man escape from water in battle." Also, the man is not behind, but also riding the horse (look at the legs.)
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Post by dickmill on Jan 20, 2010 18:07:10 GMT -5
Sorry, Dietmar -- I see a different nose and mouth on the two images to the right in the montage. Of course, this would just be my "vote" (if we get a vote!)
The photo above in this thread from Graham of "Bald Eagle" (his comment "Hmmm..."), I believe is "Bald Eagle" (whoever he was), not Roaster. I couldn't find bio information quickly on "Bald Eagle", a Brule, other than the 1872 photos.
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Post by dickmill on Jan 19, 2010 13:56:58 GMT -5
The indications from Homer Whirlwind Soldier and all the press about Whirlwind Soldier being a son (adopted, according to Homer) of Spotted Tail seem to be long after Sand Creek. Homer's term was that WS was also "bodyguard" in the Spotted Tail entourage.
As for the name "Hugh" -- here's a very plausible explanation for the name:
Whirlwind Soldier’s full Indian name was “Hiyu Wamniomni Akicita”. The first part, “he-you”, may have been interpreted by whites as “Hugh” and the chief thus became “Hugh Whirlwind Soldier.” Thus in 1864 the name Hugh was used.
When his 8 year old son (identified as a grandson of Spotted Tail because Whirlwind Soldier was called Spotted Tail’s “son”) registered at Carlisle, his Indian name was most likely “Running Horse”, thus the confusion in photos and Carlisle records calling him “Hugh Running Horse”, as though Running Horse was his last name.
It’s likely that the school adopted what sounded like his father’s name (“Hiyu”, thus Hugh.) He then became “Hugh Whirlwind Soldier.”
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Post by dickmill on Jan 15, 2010 14:09:44 GMT -5
Since this appears to be the same group (men, women, children) as in other photos, along with a tipi this time, I'd assume that it was taken as part of the "tour" with Cicero Newell. Probably advertised as an "Indian village!"
It would be interesting to ID the man sitting -- maybe an interpreter?
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Post by dickmill on Jan 15, 2010 11:33:34 GMT -5
There are no references to "Fred O. Bloom" in Paul's Fleming's books nor in "They Captured the Moment" (Robert Kolbe.)
I did find him listed 4 times in a Google book search in the book "Lakotas, Black Robes, and Holy Women" (Kreis, translated from German to English, but only some pages shown on Google books.)
Dietmar: Do you have this book? I'd be interested in the photos (pages not given) described as "Girls School of Rosebud Agency" (Bloom), "Fathers and Brothers of St. Francis Mission", "Sisters of St. Francis Mission", and "St. Francis Mission", last 3 by Anderson.
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Post by dickmill on Jan 13, 2010 15:31:10 GMT -5
When I first began on these boards, I didn't know how I could post photos, since I didn't have an FTP site or other server I could go to. I solved that problem and (if you don't know this way already) YOU CAN TOO !!! (This might help new members with the same problem.)
Simply get a Facebook account. You can upload photos to albums on your page. When you display the Facebook photos on your screen (NOT the thumbnail, but the full photo), simply right-click and "Copy image URL..."
Then paste the URL between (img) and (/img) (except use brackets rather than parentheses) within your post, "Preview" first to make sure you got it correct, and then "Post Message!"
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Post by dickmill on Jan 13, 2010 15:06:47 GMT -5
A few months ago a friend discovered a newspaper article which called Whirlwind Soldier a son of Spotted Tail. That was a new piece of information to me, having studied the Spotted Tail family and descendents in the 1880’s. I began to gather information available in books, archives, and on the internet. Additionally I spoke to descendents now residing on Rosebud. According to his family, this is the relationship of Whirlwind Soldier to Spotted Tail: There are few detailed written descriptions of Whirlwind Soldier. His birth year can be estimated at 1833 from census records: 1887 age 54 and 1891 age 58. (Spotted Tail’s birth year was c. 1823: “Spotted Tail’s Folk”, Hyde, page 3.) One winter count entry contains Whirlwind Soldier’s death. (Google Books snippet “Sioux Winter Count”, Cheney): “1917 Death of Chief Whirlwind Soldier.” A descendent states that Whirlwind Soldier was originally buried in the Rosebud Spotted Tail Cemetery, but his body was exhumed and received a scaffold burial in Bad Nation after his death on May 15, 1915. Whirlwind Soldier is noted as present at the death of Crazy Horse (September 5, 1877) in Kingsley’s book “Crazy Horse: A Lakota Life”, pg. 376: (Buy a copy if you already haven't!) Whirlwind Soldier was a contemporary of Spotted Tail Jr., the eldest biological son of Chief Spotted Tail. Spotted Tail Jr. was born c. 1855 and died of tuberculosis in June, 1888. Whirlwind Soldier would have been approximately 22 years older, but was apparently in good standing with Jr., having achieved mention in Jr.’s last will and testament: “I give to Whirlwind Soldier my buffalo bull shield.” Here are photos of Whirlwind Soldier (or NOT, as you'll see): From Anderson's 1894 group photo: From Donovan Sprague's book: The man in the above photo is George Whirlwind Soldier, according to descendents. I should mention here that I have quite a bit of information on George and Clement, Whirlwind Soldier's sons, and on Hugh from Carlisle -- but those stories are for another day! And now for the photos you've seen on these boards: The bottom photo has ID's noted as "Roaster, Standing Elk, Whirlwind Soldier, Walk About And Talk, Use The Shield, Jumper, Black Eyes." And now, here's where Agent Cicero Newell (Rosebud 1879) comes in with his "book" (I'm sorry to be so negative, but he wasn't a nice man and his 2 "books" are total rubbish.) The 1912 book was "Indian Stories", but the first "book" was only 15 pages entitled “History of Sitting Bull and His Sioux Indians”, Cicero Newell, 1884. I would guess that its purpose was to capitalize on the "tour" Newell made with (guess who?) Standing Elk, Roaster, and Whirlwind Soldier! The "book" has almost nothing to do with Sitting Bull (probably mentioned in the title to draw attention), most to do with Standing Elk, Roaster, and Whirlwind Soldier (to support the "tour"), and pathetically tiny snippets of "Indian Life" -- all in 15 pages! I hate to promote such junk, but read it yourself here: books.google.com/books?id=KSMoAAAAYAAJ&dq=cicero+newell+sitting+bull&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=zwFzlF7Kw5&sig=RuHKFSI3ga8aqhcEAYvvWJlfFwM&hl=en&ei=eA1OS7bCJ8_TlAfv26CODQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=falseNote that someone wrote on the title page "At Barnum's Circus April 25, 1884." Former Agent Newell identifies Whirlwind Soldier as a son of Spotted Tail in the following article (Cedar Rapids Journal, 1883.) He also states that Whirlwind Soldier and Standing Elk were at the Little Big Horn. However, the website below does not have Whirlwind Soldier present and the only Standing Elk present was killed in battle: custer.over-blog.com/article-10542515.html Spotted Tail wasn’t at the Little Big Horn. If Whirlwind Soldier was a close associate of Spotted Tail would he have been there? And our still-living Standing Elk obviously wasn't the Standing Elk killed at the Little Big Horn. The following article is from the Newark (OH) Daily Advocate, Dec 21 1883 (and begins to mention children): But the real evidence for photo ID's comes from Newell's 15 page "book" “History of Sitting Bull and His Sioux Indians”, Cicero Newell, 1884: Newell’s estimate of Whirlwind Soldier’s age of 45 in 1884 would put his birth in 1839. The census information (54 in 1887 and 58 in 1991) is consistent and probably more accurate. Whirlwind Soldier appears to be much shorter than 5’ 9” in photos. Newell states the wife of Whirlwind Soldier is “Use the Shield”, but his wife in the 1887 census is At the House and Big Ax in the 1891 census. The articles do seem to verify the photo caption of the group (3 men, 2 women, 2 children.) At some point, I'll put up information on sons George and Clement and what I've found about "Hugh" at Carlisle.
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Post by dickmill on Jan 13, 2010 11:59:57 GMT -5
I can provide a broader context for some of the Roaster photos Dietmar posted above (and I’ll post the unclipped versions.) Here’s a little more information on 4 clips which Dietmar posted: At first I thought it was a coincidence that Standing Elk, Roaster, and Whirlwind Soldier appeared together, but now several photos of them have appeared and I think I’ve discovered why. This will lead to a new thread I’ll start later today on Whirlwind Soldier and ties into former Rosebud Agent Cicero Newell. The above photo is actually a page from Agent Newell's 1912 book “Indian Stories.” A warning is required here. Newell was agent at Rosebud in 1879 and known as a crook and scoundrel. He was replaced in 1880 by Agent Cook, who wasn’t much better (finally in 1882, Agent Wright the elder arrived and did good things for the agency.) Newell produced two “books” (the second I’ll get to on the upcoming Whirlwind Soldier thread is 15 pages long, thus the quotes.) He elevated himself to sainthood following his term in office (as you’ll see) and became an “expert” on Indians. You can read the book yourself, but it’s full of BS (Dietmar can put that in German for those who don’t understand) and errors. It reads like he made everything up (which he probably did, since he has been described as drunk for most of his term.) I take examples just out of his last pages to demonstrate (he represents all the people he speaks of as his dear, close, friends): 1. “Two Strike and his family were killed by our soldiers at the massacre of the Dakotas at Wounded Knee Creek.” (Untrue, of course.) 2. “Mr dear old friend Spotted Tail was murdered by one of his own tribe – Crow Dog.” “[Crow Dog] was a brave and efficient man, but like many of his Indian brothers he gave way in time to the temptations of the white man. He became addicted to the use of the white man’s whiskey, and in a fit of drunken rage killed his best friend, Spotted Tail.” (all BS) 3. “When the time comes for me to pass on to the Happy Hunting Ground of future life, I hope that one of the first persons I may meet there will be my dear old friend Spotted Tail. I want to show him how much I love him and how I respect him as a brother.” (had enough? – one more…) 4. “When Spotted Tail was buried (on platforms, as is the Indian way…” (Spotted Tail was buried in the Spotted Tail cemetery, assisted by the Episcopalian missionary, Rev Cleveland. Since he was not baptized, the burial wasn’t sanctioned by the church, but the order of service is documented in the Episcopal burial records.) In his book on page 26 (you can see the entire book here books.google.com/books?id=1dYAAAAAYAAJ&dq=cicero+newell+indian+stories&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=kzJt6nlBgY&sig=fiI_ZIgbUIAVzx61sZtuLMzISok&hl=en&ei=P-pNS7mqCZDKlAf6v4SODQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false), is the above photo (there is no other mention in the book about Standing Elk, Roaster, or Whirlwind Soldier.) I’ll explain the connection of the three men to Newell and help identify the children and wives in the Whirlwind Soldier thread (coming soon, I promise.) The above image is a delegation photo taken in Sep, 1888 at Lower Brule. This gathering of tribes from all 6 agencies preceded the big trip to Washington that was documented by the group photo in Oct, 1888 on the Capital steps. I've spent a lot of time trying to get good ID's for this photo. On the rear of my copy is the following newspaper clipping. The problem is that the names aren’t given in order of the photo and several people in the photo are unidentified. Note: I believe that “Rope” is meant to be “Roaster.” On a trip to the Smithsonian, in the files of the Handbook of the American Indian, I found a copy of the photo with an attempt at ID’s. (If it isn’t clear enough, I can email a copy to anyone who requests.) Of note, “Roaster” is ID’ed as “Roust” and "Major Spencer", should be "Colonel." The photo below is from my collection, Roaster sitting in the middle. I have never seen this photo elsewhere. We know now (thanks to Dietmar), the the man to Roaster's left is Poor Dog, but I would be grateful for any other ID's!
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Post by dickmill on Jan 13, 2010 9:45:37 GMT -5
Emily:
That's a great find! Can you provide the date and source?
Dick
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