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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 19, 2015 18:43:16 GMT -5
Gregor,
thanks for the link, and for drawing this source to our attention
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Post by gregor on Nov 20, 2015 5:08:18 GMT -5
rawhide, thanks for the hint to Louis Simonin (1830 - 1886). Simonin was a French mineralogist, who travelled the world and wrote some books. From November 9 to November 16, 1867 he visited the Fort Laramie Area and met a lot of People involved with the Ft. Laramie peace negotiations. E.g.: On Leon PallardieThe Canadian Leon Pallardy accompanied the commission as interpreter for the Sioux language.3 At the same time, he served as guide for the three chiefs of the Sioux nation, Fast Bear, Swift Bear, and White Eyes. 3 Captain Eugene F. Ware described Pallardy thus: "Another of these guides and pioneers was Leo Palladie [sic]. He was a pure Frenchman, but of the blue-eyed type. He had curly hair, and the happiest disposition of any frontiersman. He was a reader of books and newspapers, and yet he was a thoroughgoing mountaineer. He spoke all the Indian languages in the neighborhood, was an adept at their sign language, was always good-natured, telling stories and having fun." On Charles Gueru (he calls him "Guerut")Another trader of pure French origin (he came from Havre) invited us today to his tent for a meal of dog; we have to say it without mincing words. We ate a young dog, fattened and killed for our benefit. The flesh of the finest sheep could not compare with it, and I understand the custom of the Redskin of reserving the dog for holiday feasts, especially when they wish to honor the whites. ……………… Our host was called Guerut. He left Havre twenty years ago to make his fortune in the United States (one always comes to this country to make his fortune), and has finally, after many vicissitudes, lost himself at the end of the Far West. Today he is an interpreter for the Laramie Loafers at the fort. Some other People he mentions
Richard Sen.,Beauvais, Bissonnette, Pierre Chene, the peace commissioners, Swift Bear, Quick Bear, White Eyes, Spotted Tail and also Arapaho, Crow and Cheyenne individuals. Partially he reports on individuals with direct speech. After some searching I found his book "Le Grand-Ouest des Etats-Unis" (The Great West of the United States) in English here: www.rocklinhistory.org/written_history/The%20Rocky%20Mountain%20West%20(with%20Copyright).pdfEnjoy! Gregor |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 24, 2015 11:54:24 GMT -5
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Post by drifter on Jan 16, 2016 10:43:13 GMT -5
Another angle on the very disputed Gardner photo from the Ft. Laramie Treaty 1868 (Posted by Dietmar Nov 12, 2015 at 11:18am).
Descendants of John Richard Sr. claim that the man identified as Colhoff in this photo is John Richard Sr.. The woman and child seated at his feet are his wife, Mary Gardner Richard and grandson Alfred Richard (Son of John Jr. and Louise Merivale). At the time John Sr. was 58 years old and Colhoff was half that age.
I believe that the man on the right in the photo posted Nov 12, 2015 at 11:34pm was Colhoff.
In the photo posted Nov 13, 2015 at 6:37am the man in the center with the white jacket and broad brimmed hat is identified by many as John Richard Jr.
The man in the photo posted Nov 12, 2015 at 11:18am is clearly not the same man as identified as Colhoff in the Nov 13, 2015 at 6:37am & Nov 13, 2015 at 7:00am, although they are wearing very similar coats and hats.
I have heard that there are other photos of John Richard Sr. taken at the time, but haven't identified them myself.
Happy Trails! Drifter
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Post by drifter on Jan 16, 2016 11:12:44 GMT -5
Another controversial photo. (Nov 16, 2015 at 10:03am).
The man to the right of the horse has been identified as Pierre "Peter" Richard (1820- ). On his left, his wife Red Sack aka Lucy. John Jr. as either the man with the rifle or the man in the white jacket. The man laying down smoking the pipe as Little Bat Garnier (who would have been only 14 years old at the time, but was employed then as a government hunter).
The man identified as Peter Richard has also been identified as Leon Pallardie and the woman next to him as Mrs. Moran.
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Post by drifter on Jan 16, 2016 11:35:37 GMT -5
The man on the left in the photo Nov 16, 2015 at 9:14am may be the same man with the rifle in photo the Nov 16, 2015 at 10:03am.
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Post by kcjoe on Mar 5, 2016 15:36:03 GMT -5
Leon Pallardy was my grandmother's uncle. He was not Canadian. He was born in St. Charles, MO in 1831, the son of Pierre Pallardy, jr. and his wife Eulalie Sarie. His real name, as recorded in the baptismal records is Francois Leon Pallardy. Pierre, jr. was probably the first native-born citizen of St. Charles, MO., having been born there in 1800, His father, Pierre Pallardy, sr. came to St. Charles County from Quebec some time before 1796, because St. Charles Borromeo church records show that he married Marie Josephine LaBussiere there in 1796. We believe that old Pierre, sr. and his sons and grandsons worked for LaClede, Maxent, & Co., the great St. Louis fur trading company that evolved into the American Fur Co.. Their travels took them up the Missouri to the Kaw River, and then to the Republican and Platte. Somewhere between the Republican and Platte is a creek that used to be called "Pallardy Creek", which was probably the location of their trading post. We believe that Leon grew up along the Republican and gained his mastery of Sioux languages there as a child.
KCJoe
P.S. Thanks to everyone for the great photos and research.
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Post by eric on Aug 20, 2017 6:42:04 GMT -5
Here´s my favorite one from that series:  Photograph (black and white) from an album; portrait of (from left to right) Fast Bear, Shotted Tail, John, Long Hair, and Palladay (sitting in the front); Fast Bear is standing on the far left, wearing a hat, and wrapped in a blanket with tassels; Shotted Tail, stands second from the left, wearing a piece of cloth tied around his neck, a shirt, and a blanket wrapped around himself; John is standing on the far right, wearing a hat with a feather and a section of his hair wrapped in cloth and wearing a shirt, and wrapped in a blanket; Long Hair, sits on the far right, with his hair in two section wrapped in cloth, wearing a piece of cloth tied around his neck, a shirt, and a blanket wrapped around himself, whilst holding a pipe(?); Pallasay, sits in the foreground in the centre, wearing a hat, a shirt, and a pair of trousers; in the background on the left, is a western-style building; directly behind the men, is a pile of tree logs; (text from British Museum site) Shotted Tail is of course Sicangu chief Spotted Tail, John is clearly Flatnose John, also a Sicangu. There are other portraits of him, by W.R. Cross for example. Palladay is Leon Palladay, a well known figure at Fort Laramie. Fast Bear should be Quick Bear, the Wazhazha, but because of the hat and it´s shadow I am not 100 percent sure about him. I know nothing about Long Hair. |
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Post by eric on Aug 20, 2017 6:45:30 GMT -5
Here´s my favorite one from that series: Photograph (black and white) from an album; portrait of (from left to right) Fast Bear, Shotted Tail, John, Long Hair, and Palladay (sitting in the front); Fast Bear is standing on the far left, wearing a hat, and wrapped in a blanket with tassels; Shotted Tail, stands second from the left, wearing a piece of cloth tied around his neck, a shirt, and a blanket wrapped around himself; John is standing on the far right, wearing a hat with a feather and a section of his hair wrapped in cloth and wearing a shirt, and wrapped in a blanket; Long Hair, sits on the far right, with his hair in two section wrapped in cloth, wearing a piece of cloth tied around his neck, a shirt, and a blanket wrapped around himself, whilst holding a pipe(?); Pallasay, sits in the foreground in the centre, wearing a hat, a shirt, and a pair of trousers; in the background on the left, is a western-style building; directly behind the men, is a pile of tree logs; (text from British Museum site) Shotted Tail is of course Sicangu chief Spotted Tail, John is clearly Flatnose John, also a Sicangu. There are other portraits of him, by W.R. Cross for example. Palladay is Leon Palladay, a well known figure at Fort Laramie. Fast Bear should be Quick Bear, the Wazhazha, but because of the hat and it´s shadow I am not 100 percent sure about him. I know nothing about Long Hair.I believe Long Hair is holding either a single shot pistol or probably a (so called) blanket gun, the shaft and ramrod are visible below the barrel. |
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Post by palladay on Aug 20, 2017 8:52:29 GMT -5
Leon Pallardy was my grandmother's uncle. He was not Canadian. He was born in St. Charles, MO in 1831, the son of Pierre Pallardy, jr. and his wife Eulalie Sarie. His real name, as recorded in the baptismal records is Francois Leon Pallardy. Pierre, jr. was probably the first native-born citizen of St. Charles, MO., having been born there in 1800, His father, Pierre Pallardy, sr. came to St. Charles County from Quebec some time before 1796, because St. Charles Borromeo church records show that he married Marie Josephine LaBussiere there in 1796. We believe that old Pierre, sr. and his sons and grandsons worked for LaClede, Maxent, & Co., the great St. Louis fur trading company that evolved into the American Fur Co.. Their travels took them up the Missouri to the Kaw River, and then to the Republican and Platte. Somewhere between the Republican and Platte is a creek that used to be called "Pallardy Creek", which was probably the location of their trading post. We believe that Leon grew up along the Republican and gained his mastery of Sioux languages there as a child. KCJoe P.S. Thanks to everyone for the great photos and research. |
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Post by palladay on Aug 20, 2017 9:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 4, 2017 11:43:29 GMT -5
Did anyone notice that the portraits of Leon Palladay/Pallardy in 1868 and 1877 look quite different? Is it just a change of haircut and a different beard? Or do we have another case of questionable identification?  Leon Pallady, 1868, identified by Walter Mason Camp  Leon Palladay, 1877  Leon Palladay |
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Post by kcjoe on Oct 28, 2017 17:01:02 GMT -5
Did anyone notice that the portraits of Leon Palladay/Pallardy in 1868 and 1877 look quite different? Is it just a change of haircut and a different beard? Or do we have another case of questionable identification? Leon Pallady, 1868, identified by Walter Mason Camp Leon Palladay, 1877 Leon Palladay |
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Post by kcjoe on Oct 28, 2017 17:11:01 GMT -5
Hi, Dietmar. I believe that all three photos show Leon Pallardy (Pallardie, Palladay). In the 1868 photo, he is 37 years old. The photo is taken outdoors at Ft. Laramie in on a sunny day. In the two 1877 photos, he is 46 years old, and the photos are taken in a studio. He is thinner in the 1868 photo. Focus on his cheekbones, eyes, nose, and posture. I believe it is the same man. It would be interesting to apply a sophisticated facial recognition program to the photos if we had one. Thanks again.
KCJoe
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 31, 2017 18:16:37 GMT -5
Thank you, KCJoe!
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