Jack Red Cloud and Friends

[jinlian]

There are two 1891 Morledge photos I've always wondered about:



Interior of Chief Red Cloud's home - his "blind wife" is sitting on the bed



Red Cloud stands outside his home with two women.

Now, the "blind wife" of the first photograph looks far more younger than Pretty Owl was at the time and I wonder if she's not, in fact, the daughter mentioned in the above posting and who in 1887 was still living with her parents. She could be as well the unidentified third woman (first from left) in the second photographs, but this are of course only personal speculations.

[eamonn]

The unidentified child with Red Cloud, taken in 1900s is Edgar Red Cloud as verified by Sadie Janis. Edgar was first born son of James (1879 - 1960) went on to become council member in Pine Ridge. He was the defacto chief although his uncle carried the title (Chief Charles Red Cloud), Charles being the eldest son of Jack's second marriage.

[jinlian]

"Red Cloud band of Indians at Fort Robinson, 1907" - on the far right, Jack Red Cloud.

[jinlian]

This one was taken at the Crow Agency, Montana in 1926
Left to right: Chief James Red Cloud, W. S. Hart (I understand he was one of the first western movies stars, there's also a photograph of him with Crow chief Plenty Coups), Red Hawk, Standing Bear (Luther Standing Bear, maybe?).

[eamonn]

Hi Jin

Fascinating pictures. Mary Ann Red Cloud is excited by this information and from her to you 'woplia'. Many of the photographs that you have kindly exhibited are unknown to her. She is presently trying to secure the preservation of James house, which is in a severe state of dereliction. James was her primary carer and she has fond and loving memories of him.

Eamonn

[jinlian]

Eamonn,

you're most welcome. I forgot to add that some information about Chief Red Cloud and his family can be also found in Charles Jordan papers (Jordan, a clerk at Rosebud, was a close friend of Chief Red Cloud and married his niece, Julia Walks First). Also, if you haven't tried it yet, there are James H. Cook (Chief James Red Cloud's namesake) and his son Harold's papers at Agate Fossil Beds National Monument.

In addition, as mentioned before, since there's a possibility that two of Jack Red Cloud's sisters (or half -sisters) were married to chiefs One Stab and American Horse, you might also contact those tiyospaye and see if a branch of the family has survived there too.

Two more pictures of Chief James Red Cloud, taken in the 1940s:





I sincerely hope your ina will succed in preserving Chief James' house.

Best,

Jin

[jinlian]

This was taken in 1915 at Agate Springs Ranch (now Agate Fossils Beds NM)



Left to right: Mrs. Jack Red Cloud, Jack Red Cloud, Little Crow, James H. Cook

[Dietmar]

German photographer Frederick Weygold visited Pine Ridge in 1909 and took many photographs of the Red Cloud family.

Here is Jack Red Cloud and his family. I haven´t found any identifications yet:



Unfortunately Weygold didn´t record the name of this boy, who could either be the youngest son of Jack or more likely his grandson Edgar Red Cloud (1897-1977):





Weygold also took many photographs of a Give-Away-ceremony of the Red Cloud family, here is an example with Jack Red Cloud´s daughter riding in front:

[jinlian]

Doesn't the woman sitting on the far right (first picture) look like one of Red Cloud's daughters?

[Dietmar]

Jinlian,

I think you´re right. I looked again in the book I have on Weygold and it indeed says that the woman sitting second from left is Jack Red Cloud´s wife and the others are sisters, partly by blood and partly adopted by Hunka-Ceremony.
The boys are probably sons or (the youngest with bonnet) his grandson.

Note also the war-shirt Jack is wearing. It´s the same Old Red Cloud wears in another Weygold photograph.

Here is a Weygold photo of Jack Red Cloud that has been previously posted in an older thread:

[jinlian]

A little curiosity I've never managed to satisfy so far: where does Jack Red Cloud's Christian name "Jack" come from and when did he (and/or others) begin to use it? The first known picture of him (by Godkin) is simply labelled as "Red Cloud's son"; also, had he additional names other than "Red Cloud" (he shared the name with his father and grandfather)?

[Dietmar]

Jinlian,

regarding the second part of your question:
Jack Red Cloud´s Lakota name was Man Above, Wankan Wicasa. He also was called Without Lodge, Wokeya Wanica, which was probably a nickname.

[jinlian]

Thanks, Dietmar. I knew just that in the Ricker interviews American Horse stated that "Red Cloud's father's name was Red Cloud and he has a son called Red Cloud" - so probably he took the name at the time of Red Cloud's "abdication".
About the name "Man Above" - I remember there was a man bearing that name, an Indian scout interviewed by Judge Ricker- no relation to Jack or Chief Red Cloud, I suppose?

[jinlian]

This is now on sale at ebay:



Chief James Red Cloud and Jack Oakie on the set of movie "Tomahawk"

[jinlian]

Had under my eyes images of both characters....and I couldn't help noticing how great is the resemblance between Chief James Red Cloud and Chief Blue Horse: