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Post by allenc on May 18, 2016 7:33:38 GMT -5
thank you. I've been looking all over the web for Bierstadt photos and can't locate them. Except for the one of the Shoshone man on horseback. almont
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Post by grahamew on Jul 12, 2016 4:36:37 GMT -5
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Post by Gary on Aug 6, 2017 8:48:01 GMT -5
The sketch portraits at the top, and - I think - the group picture below them, are in the Metropolitan Museum in New York. I saw them when I was there in April.
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Post by jones on Aug 8, 2017 18:21:23 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Aug 9, 2017 1:15:37 GMT -5
It is funny, the People at the Blanton Museum identified the (clearly) native tripod as a Camera tripod.
The Studies of Indian Chiefs is interesting. BTW: There are 3 men an one woman. I wonder if the "chief" Margo is maybe Marie Bordeaux. Bierstadt (a member of the Frederic Lander Expedition) was in Laramie about June 1859. As far as I know lived James Bordeaux with his wife Marie from about 1841 at the later Fort Laramie.
I know we discussed it before, but it would be very interesting to find more of the Bierstadt photographs.
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Oh, I just saw what Kingsley wrote about the woman :"The wife of Antoine Reynal was (according to Francis Parkman) called Margot." So, maybe we have her already identified.
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Post by grahamew on Aug 9, 2017 8:56:51 GMT -5
Some more Bierstadt paintings, three of which were originally brought to my attention on the Plains Indian Seminar message site: I'd guess the man on the right is Wild West Show era; presumably the man on the left is too - or is he based on an older image taken back in 1859? This one has the look of those Indians he/his brother photographed in 1859, with the disk in the hair parting. Wonder if it is from that era or from a photograph taken then. Surely a Wild West Show era painting? If memory serves, at least three are in the Gilcrease Museum.
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Post by grahamew on Aug 10, 2017 7:10:33 GMT -5
A couple more Bierstadts that look as if they were done 'in the field' as it were. Not Lakota, however...
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Post by grahamew on Aug 10, 2017 14:53:23 GMT -5
Here are better versions of both:
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Horses Feared is the man with the pipe. This was taken in 1868 at Fort Laramie. Attachments:
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Post by grahamew on Aug 9, 2018 4:41:13 GMT -5
My optimum date for this photograph is 1853: (left to right) Horses Feared (1804-1889)(49), Jules Shangrau (1825-?)(28), No Neck (1835-1901)(18), Smoke (1774-1864)(79), Cloud Horse (1845-?)(8), Names Her (1846-?)(7), Julian Louis Shangrau (1848-1899)(5), John Shangrau (1850-1926)(3), Wiyela (1822-?)(31), Yellow Hair (1800-?)(53), Bears Foot (1852-?)(1), and Brown Eyes (1810-?)(43). This was taken on the 1859 Lander expedition; here is the Bietstadt catalogue for 1860: www.kshs.org/publicat/khq/1958/1958spring_snell.pdf
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