Post by Second on Mar 5, 2017 21:56:43 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I have not been here in a while. Logged in today and saw Jose Second's name mentioned. I read through most of the member's postings and came to the conclusion that I dont have enough knowledge to even try to identify the mysterious capped man, some times identified as Jose Second, Ulzana, etc.
I will share the little info I have on Jose Second in hopes to help those with more knowledge perhaps come to a conclusion. We most all understand that a lot of knowledge is shared in the journey of coming to a conclusion or not.
Jose Second:
Two Apache boys were captured by Mexicans at an early age. The Mexicans named them Jose Primero and Jose Segundo, which translates to Jose First and Jose Second. They were not kin. Both captives learned to speak Spanish and both escaped as young adults (age or year unknown).
They joined the Chiricahuas in the Stronghold,suggesting to me that he was a Chokone.
Jose Second's sister married Larry Fun.
When Naiche and Taza took the people to San Carlos, the two friends registered as Jose First and Jose Second, some times misspelled as Hosea Segunda, as seen in various articles found at the St.Augustine Historical Society Library.
Jose Second's first wife was a Chihine, (warm springs) named Hua-nah and a daughter named Ku-kah.
Could this have had an influence in the way he painted his face during battle, red vs white face stripe? I will leave that to the experts. It would make sense if he was fighting under Victorio or Loco that he would paint his face stripe red and white if fighting under Cochise, Naiche, Chihuahua or Ulzana. Again, a subject for the experts.
Jose Second chose to fight under Naiche during the outbreak of 1884. Jose First became a Scout under Chatto. For the first time, the two inseparable friends, became enemies. Jose Second surrendered with Chihuahuas group and sent to Fort Marion,FL where he served as interpreter, between Spanish and Apache. His wife and daughter were sent to Cuba as servants, a common practice for more than a century. His family went to the town of Guanabacoa, known as Indian Town.
Jose Second along with five other Chiricahuas were discharged from Mount Vernon, Alabama. Jose and Chiricahua Jim were the two that stayed in Mescalero. The others re enlisted in order to re-unite with their families as prisoners.
Jose Second enrolled in Mescalero as a widower.
He married Carabuda, a Mescalero woman. They had two sons, Manuel Jose Second and Frank Second.
Manuel married May Peso, daughter of Chief Peso. Frank married Aletha Choneska, a mescalero woman.
The photo taken at Fort Marion showing a big group of Chiricahuas, with Nana and Jose Second to the left and Chief Chihuahua to the right is from a photo collection taken by Fort Marions's "Fort Keeper", Mr.F.W. Bruce. The photos were found in the attic of Mr. Bruce's sister's home and turned over to Mr. C. Powell in 2006, who later gave them to me. The photos are old and unfortunately a better resolution is not possible.
I will share the little info I have on Jose Second in hopes to help those with more knowledge perhaps come to a conclusion. We most all understand that a lot of knowledge is shared in the journey of coming to a conclusion or not.
Jose Second:
Two Apache boys were captured by Mexicans at an early age. The Mexicans named them Jose Primero and Jose Segundo, which translates to Jose First and Jose Second. They were not kin. Both captives learned to speak Spanish and both escaped as young adults (age or year unknown).
They joined the Chiricahuas in the Stronghold,suggesting to me that he was a Chokone.
Jose Second's sister married Larry Fun.
When Naiche and Taza took the people to San Carlos, the two friends registered as Jose First and Jose Second, some times misspelled as Hosea Segunda, as seen in various articles found at the St.Augustine Historical Society Library.
Jose Second's first wife was a Chihine, (warm springs) named Hua-nah and a daughter named Ku-kah.
Could this have had an influence in the way he painted his face during battle, red vs white face stripe? I will leave that to the experts. It would make sense if he was fighting under Victorio or Loco that he would paint his face stripe red and white if fighting under Cochise, Naiche, Chihuahua or Ulzana. Again, a subject for the experts.
Jose Second chose to fight under Naiche during the outbreak of 1884. Jose First became a Scout under Chatto. For the first time, the two inseparable friends, became enemies. Jose Second surrendered with Chihuahuas group and sent to Fort Marion,FL where he served as interpreter, between Spanish and Apache. His wife and daughter were sent to Cuba as servants, a common practice for more than a century. His family went to the town of Guanabacoa, known as Indian Town.
Jose Second along with five other Chiricahuas were discharged from Mount Vernon, Alabama. Jose and Chiricahua Jim were the two that stayed in Mescalero. The others re enlisted in order to re-unite with their families as prisoners.
Jose Second enrolled in Mescalero as a widower.
He married Carabuda, a Mescalero woman. They had two sons, Manuel Jose Second and Frank Second.
Manuel married May Peso, daughter of Chief Peso. Frank married Aletha Choneska, a mescalero woman.
The photo taken at Fort Marion showing a big group of Chiricahuas, with Nana and Jose Second to the left and Chief Chihuahua to the right is from a photo collection taken by Fort Marions's "Fort Keeper", Mr.F.W. Bruce. The photos were found in the attic of Mr. Bruce's sister's home and turned over to Mr. C. Powell in 2006, who later gave them to me. The photos are old and unfortunately a better resolution is not possible.
