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Post by jeroen on May 18, 2010 3:51:32 GMT -5
Benedict Johze can also been seen in the group image above on top. Here's a close up:  |
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Post by perico on May 18, 2010 8:51:52 GMT -5
Benedict Johze can also been seen in the group image above on top. Here's a close up: I have plenty of pictures of him, I just need to sit down and do a comparison. Im in the middle of a big project for work, but maybe I'll have time to take a look sometime today. |
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Post by kayitah on May 18, 2010 12:54:25 GMT -5
Is it possible that he was sent with Chihuahuas group to Fort Marion? Does anyone have a good quality, high-resolution image of that group?
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Post by kayitah on May 18, 2010 13:01:39 GMT -5
btw, does anyone have a source for a high-resolution image of the following photograph? thanx Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 18, 2010 13:30:29 GMT -5
hmm could it be Peaches, or Ahnandia? I'm judging only from the facial features, though. Honestly, I think Ahnandia seems to have been of rather mediocre height, while the unidentified Chiricahua seems to have been rather tall. I also thought about Tom Chriricahua, but the facial features don't match. Too bad C.S. Fly couldn't deliver proper information on the individuals he took photographs of... Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 18, 2010 16:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by perico on May 18, 2010 16:29:40 GMT -5
I've seen him identified as "Hustianney Where? Hosteen does refer to an Old Man. |
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Post by kayitah on May 18, 2010 16:39:03 GMT -5
check the image at medicinemangallery.com
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Post by naiche on May 18, 2010 22:13:51 GMT -5
 Naiche Hey people, any larger version? |
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Post by perico on May 19, 2010 12:17:52 GMT -5
check the image at medicinemangallery.com Most of those identifications are false. |
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Post by kayitah on May 19, 2010 15:48:33 GMT -5
check the image at medicinemangallery.com Most of those identifications are false. I'm aware of that, I just wanted to let you know where I got the name "Hustianney" from. |
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Post by perico on May 20, 2010 9:13:13 GMT -5
Have you seen that name in anything else like a book or anything?
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Post by jeroen on May 21, 2010 2:39:32 GMT -5
I would like to know where these identifications are based upon, for example the women named Lozen and Dahteste. Also, the name "Hustianney" is new to me. For now, I stick with with Kutli or Johze as options for the mysterious man...
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Post by kayitah on May 21, 2010 3:09:55 GMT -5
I understand your point, jeroen. But can anyone identify Ahnandia on the various C.S. Fly images?
Aren't Catle/Kutli and Cullah/Colle one and the same person? Just like Cayetano is Kaetenna?
Jozhe seems to small, as the mysterious Chiricahua is relatively tall - which probably is the cause for the numerous misidentifications of him being Naiché.
And btw, some people may think Bésh and Nahbay, or Bésh and Laziyah were brothers. I've never read either, only that Nahbay and Laziyah were brothers/halfbrothers. I'm confused... where does it say that Bésh was a brother to either or both of them?
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Post by perico on May 21, 2010 14:32:06 GMT -5
Beshe is not a brother to those two. Im looking into Kutli/Colle thing, not sure myself. And I have seen that man in white identified as Jozhe in a publication put out by the Arizona Historical Society by Jay Van Orden. Its a small pamphlet style book that has the entire set of C.S. Fly pictures from Canyon De Los Embudos. There are some errors, but he has done the best identifications than anyone else. I know there is an early picture of Jozhe at Carlisle, a studio portrait. I am still working on this big project though so I cant really compare. It would make sense if it was Jozhe, but still, its a guess. If you guys are going to look into the Colle/Kutli thing on your own, keep in mind that Colle was definately also known as Cah-leh, he was Warm Springs Apache, and was definately with Chihuahuas band at the time of surrender.
As for the "Where was Tsisnah" thing, one scenario is that he may have became a scout and thats why he isnt listed or seen with Mangus, Chihuahua, or Naiche's group. Thats one theory anyway.
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