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Post by naiches2 on Aug 28, 2021 9:15:01 GMT -5
Sherman Curley From ' Experiences Of An Indian Scout, Part Two'(Arizona Historical Review, Volume 7 (1936)) Page 72 Note 46: Sherman Curley, an old-timer of the San Carlos people who died in January, 1934, was married to a Chiricahua woman. Mrs. Curley is still living.  |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 28, 2021 11:42:58 GMT -5
Sherman Curley was not a tonto but a Pinal Apache. He was one of the scout who help the US army to kill Atelnietze in may 1896. Atelnietze was a cousin of Helen Curley. Sherman Curley married Jastessay, Atelnietze's cousin, two years later in 1898.
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 28, 2021 15:01:46 GMT -5
Zhante's death (aka Julia Denton) in 1928. The cause of death remember someone else... Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 28, 2021 15:20:29 GMT -5
Sherman Curley From ' Experiences Of An Indian Scout, Part Two'(Arizona Historical Review, Volume 7 (1936)) Page 72 Note 46: Sherman Curley, an old-timer of the San Carlos people who died in January, 1934, was married to a Chiricahua woman. Mrs. Curley is still living. View AttachmentSherman died 9th of January 1934 |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 28, 2021 15:41:30 GMT -5
Zhante's death (aka Julia Denton) in 1928. The cause of death remember someone else... Tah-de-tonn, his mother zanyego and his aunt Jastessy were still alived in 1939. The San carlos' census we can see on internet stops in 1939. |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 28, 2021 17:33:20 GMT -5
Last one today, I have to sleep. Anajohe (aka Anna Baylis from Coyotero tribe band F, n°80) , born c.1885/1886, daugther of Zhante and Grand-daughter of Cochise. She married in Baylis' family (= the Bylas spared from Stevens' ranch slaughter in 1882 thanks to Naiche?) |
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Post by saskia21 on Aug 29, 2021 3:02:19 GMT -5
After this marriage she marries John logan and has children out of both marriages>
Anajohe married Richard Baylish (born cir 1882) in cir. 1896 :
George / Eishkiden. (born 1902) married Edna Wright (born 1912) and had at least two children: Kenneth born 1931 and Wheeler born 1935.
Bertha / Eten (born 1908) ( later listed as Bertha Logan)
Albert / Syeulhel (born 1912) he married Effie Stanley (born 1912) they had at least two children: Remago (born 1933) and Belinda (born 1935)
She married John Logan (born 1891) 29 jun 1915: Alice born cir. 1915, Dora born cir. 1917, Perry born cir.1921- 1924, Andrew born 1924-1924, Lara born 1925, Lyda born 1927 and Monteith born 1930.
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Post by saskia21 on Aug 29, 2021 3:13:43 GMT -5
from san carlos census in 1907, San Carlos Tribe, you will find Zanyego at n°755, single. Zanyego, daughter of Gessemida, sister of Jastessay and mother of Tah-de-tonn. In census 1914-1915, always n°39 band J Coyorero tribe, Jim Curly who change his nickname as Kelly, became Sherman Curley and Jastessay Helen Curley. Also always n°16 band H of San CArlos tribe, Tah-de-tonn became Charles Denton and Zanyego became Maria Denton. Gessemida certainly died in 1913. But juts below n°16 a widow was in n°17, named Djanate and nickname Julia Denton (like the family n°16) and Djanate was more similar to Zhante than Zanyego. So I think Djhanate was Zhante, not Zanyego. I still feel Zanye(go) and Zhante are the same person, if you pronounce zanye and zhante it lies much closer together in sound than Djanate and Zanthe, but I can't proof it. I do feel Djanate is another sister. In de 1900 federal census Gessemida is said to have had 6 children! |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 29, 2021 3:49:08 GMT -5
from san carlos census in 1907, San Carlos Tribe, you will find Zanyego at n°755, single. Zanyego, daughter of Gessemida, sister of Jastessay and mother of Tah-de-tonn. In census 1914-1915, always n°39 band J Coyorero tribe, Jim Curly who change his nickname as Kelly, became Sherman Curley and Jastessay Helen Curley. Also always n°16 band H of San CArlos tribe, Tah-de-tonn became Charles Denton and Zanyego became Maria Denton. Gessemida certainly died in 1913. But juts below n°16 a widow was in n°17, named Djanate and nickname Julia Denton (like the family n°16) and Djanate was more similar to Zhante than Zanyego. So I think Djhanate was Zhante, not Zanyego. I still feel Zanye(go) and Zhante are the same person, if you pronounce zanye and zhante it lies much closer together in sound than Djanate and Zanthe, but I can't proof it. I do feel Djanate is another sister. In de 1900 federal census Gessemida is said to have had 6 children! You write good point Zanyego and Zhante. But in the army letter transmitting the request, it was writing "Ah-tsi-tah relation of Naiche and her son". The officer did not write "Zhante and her son Tah-de-tonn", he wrote "Zhante, Naiche's sister" and "Tah-de-tonn Naiche's nephew". So I still think that Zanyego, Tah-de-tonn's mother, was not Zhante. Me neither without clear proof. |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 29, 2021 3:55:44 GMT -5
After this marriage she marries John logan and has children out of both marriages> Anajohe married Richard Baylish (born cir 1882) in cir. 1896 : George / Eishkiden. (born 1902) married Edna Wright (born 1912) and had at least two children: Kenneth born 1931 and Wheeler born 1935. Bertha / Eten (born 1908) ( later listed as Bertha Logan) Albert / Syeulhel (born 1912) he married Effie Stanley (born 1912) they had at least two children: Remago (born 1933) and Belinda (born 1935) She married John Logan (born 1891) 29 jun 1915: Alice born cir. 1915, Dora born cir. 1917, Perry born cir.1921- 1924, Andrew born 1924-1924, Lara born 1925, Lyda born 1927 and Monteith born 1930. As remembered yesterday, Richard was a half-brother of Eskehelte (the two living in 1904 with their parents)Coyotero tribe band F n°24. So Richard was not the husband of Anajohe, I think. |
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Post by saskia21 on Aug 29, 2021 4:01:44 GMT -5
Djanata (Julia Denton) name in the earlier census' is Yonteah / Yonstah (cir 1864) And she has three daughters: Nowloah born cir.1889 (Anajohe), Nawlesay born cir.1892 and Kaydasilahey (Ikedastlahe) born cir. 1894 also proof dat Howdetsoan = tadntudn in the last two ( 1905-1906) census' look at de number in front of the names first number is their number on this census de number that follows is the number they where on the previous census: The 1896 census:  1898 census:  1899 census:  1901 census part 1 and 2:   1905 and 1906 census:   |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 29, 2021 4:08:28 GMT -5
I agree with you about Tah-de-tonn. I have all these census. It still need to find Zanyego before 1907. In the census 1887-1892, I do not find anyone yet, frustating.
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Post by saskia21 on Aug 29, 2021 4:17:02 GMT -5
After this marriage she marries John logan and has children out of both marriages> Anajohe married Richard Baylish (born cir 1882) in cir. 1896 : George / Eishkiden. (born 1902) married Edna Wright (born 1912) and had at least two children: Kenneth born 1931 and Wheeler born 1935. Bertha / Eten (born 1908) ( later listed as Bertha Logan) Albert / Syeulhel (born 1912) he married Effie Stanley (born 1912) they had at least two children: Remago (born 1933) and Belinda (born 1935) She married John Logan (born 1891) 29 jun 1915: Alice born cir. 1915, Dora born cir. 1917, Perry born cir.1921- 1924, Andrew born 1924-1924, Lara born 1925, Lyda born 1927 and Monteith born 1930. As remembered yesterday, Richard was a half-brother of Eskehelte (the two living in 1904 with their parents)Coyotero tribe band F n°24. So Richard was not the husband of Anajohe, I think. See the 1911 Census:  and on the same census:  I stand corrected, two baylish men married to two women with very similar names.... |
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Post by saskia21 on Aug 29, 2021 9:30:31 GMT -5
Could this be Ah tsi tah? From the 1893 census, Couyutero:  |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 29, 2021 15:24:27 GMT -5
As remembered yesterday, Richard was a half-brother of Eskehelte (the two living in 1904 with their parents)Coyotero tribe band F n°24. So Richard was not the husband of Anajohe, I think. See the 1911 Census: View Attachment and on the same census: View AttachmentI stand corrected, two baylish men married to two women with very similar names.... Richard married Anuje in 1905, n°75 (the last family and certainly the recent one) of Coyotero band F. Anuje sister of Anajohe ? Because Yontsea or Djanate (zhante for me) had two daughters who had a very similar name. |
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