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Post by jeroen on Aug 2, 2011 14:59:18 GMT -5
Yep. me too, well done! That also means that the image of two men identified by Siggy earlier in these threads as Jose First and Second, (and also so identified in his book) are not them...
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Post by neon on Aug 28, 2011 16:00:02 GMT -5
Is Colle also known as Charlie? He looks so much like Victorio, who had a son named Charlie?
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Post by penjady on Aug 29, 2011 19:04:36 GMT -5
Is Colle also known as Charlie? He looks so much like Victorio, who had a son named Charlie? No. His "english" name is Benjamin. He was not related to Victorio. Victorio's sons name was Charles Istee. |
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Post by indian scouts on Sept 20, 2011 0:02:49 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available. Sincerely, Siggy Jumper |
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Post by indian scouts on Sept 20, 2011 0:07:56 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available. Sincerely, Siggy Jumper |
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 17, 2012 12:09:02 GMT -5
Chiricahuas Preparing to Board Trains at Holbrook, Arizona Territory (unknown artist) Board Trains at Holbrook, Arizona Territory Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 17, 2012 12:14:56 GMT -5
NAICHES2 - THIS IS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Fort Marion Florida - 1886 "Outing" in St. Augustine. Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 17, 2012 13:11:11 GMT -5
Can anyone "pick out" certain people?  The man standing right far back is possibly Kaahteney, and young man sitting middle right is a April 30th 1887 Carlisle student (with what looks like a "smoke" hanging from his mouth on the right), which is most likely a "flaw" in the photograph. Also......the man with the hair orniment...... is he Lan-see/Giles Lancy or is he the man labeled "CHIRICAHUA PRINCE" in the old Arizona photograph? Are they one in the same? Or are they two different men? If it is possibly "CHIRICAHUA PRINCE", then he "was indeed" a POW and we should know him, but by a different name!!!! Suggestions Anyone?!?!?!?! ? |
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Post by kayitah on Apr 17, 2012 15:15:03 GMT -5
Thanks for this great image, Mithlo. The man far back with his face partially shadowed could well be Kahtenny. In my opinion, the man with the hair ornament is Len-see, and it even might be the same man as the "Chiricahua prince". That brings up the question if it really is Len-see, or maybe the son of a chief (Juh's son Daklegon?). Unfortunately, it is very difficult to identify any of the men with a low resolution image. I am very excited though about this photograph, and I am confident that more will eventually be found...  |
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Post by jeroen on Apr 18, 2012 0:57:34 GMT -5
Wonderful photograph Mithlo, thanks! I agree with Kayitah the man with the hair ornament is indeed Len see. The man on the far left in the back looks familiar too, Ulzana maybe?
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Post by penjady on Apr 18, 2012 7:39:08 GMT -5
That is a nice picture Mithlo!
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 18, 2012 11:02:54 GMT -5
the man in front, with the head cut in half was Noche. I confirm for Lensee
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 19, 2012 7:00:38 GMT -5
NAICHES2 - THIS IS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Fort Marion Florida - 1886 "Outing" in St. Augustine. A lot of thanks Mithlo! It's really GREAT and new photo. I agreed with IDs, but we need time to carefully study those characters. |
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Post by jasper4 on Apr 19, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -5
NAICHES2 - THIS IS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Fort Marion Florida - 1886 "Outing" in St. Augustine. A lot of thanks Mithlo! It's really GREAT and new photo. I agreed with IDs, but we need time to carefully study those characters. dont take offense but they are not characters they are NDE and yes I know your in russia and still want to read your comparsion of cossacks and the NDE. Thus again humans are all the same just some are more stupid than others |
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 19, 2012 13:38:46 GMT -5
A lot of thanks Mithlo! It's really GREAT and new photo. I agreed with IDs, but we need time to carefully study those characters. dont take offense but they are not characters they are NDE and yes I know your in russia and still want to read your comparsion of cossacks and the NDE. Thus again humans are all the same just some are more stupid than others Sorry my English  'characters' is means 'faces' |
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The man standing right far back is possibly Kaahteney, and young man sitting middle right is a April 30th 1887 Carlisle student (with what looks like a "smoke" hanging from his mouth on the right), which is most likely a "flaw" in the photograph. Also......the man with the hair orniment...... is he Lan-see/Giles Lancy or is he the man labeled "CHIRICAHUA PRINCE" in the old Arizona photograph?
'characters' is means 'faces'