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Post by naiches2 on Apr 20, 2012 7:49:11 GMT -5
IMHO (!!!!!) n1. Bacatlay or Dahkeya n2. Lensee n3. Chihuahua n4. unknown Man from photo with Colle and Astoyeh (see: thread Colle « Reply #8 on Feb 4, 2011, 6:43am ») n5. Kaahteney nn6 and 7. men from Carlisle's image (April 30, 1887) - see below: n8. Nah-do-zinne n9. Neezh-golth-kisen ?? n10. Mescalero ??  Attachments:
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 21, 2012 22:54:17 GMT -5
Here is a better format photograph showing Jolsanny and son "Adam" on the left, Colle on the right, and the man in the center.....not sure?  Very nice photo though!!!! Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 22, 2012 3:22:24 GMT -5
n11 Mithlo Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 22, 2012 8:43:42 GMT -5
I think n°6 was Noche. n°3 Bishtoyeh not Chihuahua.
n°11 was maybe Dakheya
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 22, 2012 9:54:10 GMT -5
I think n°6 was Noche. n°3 Bishtoyeh not Chihuahua. n°11 was maybe Dakheya We need sharp-eyed Bobby  Bishtoyeh was very old with grey hair then n°12 Mangas n°13 Noche Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 22, 2012 9:55:20 GMT -5
Here is a better format photograph showing Jolsanny and son "Adam" on the left, Colle on the right, and the man in the center.....not sure? Very nice photo though!!!! Thanks Mithlo |
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Post by jeroen on Apr 22, 2012 13:23:21 GMT -5
My opinion:
1 Becalthay
2Lensee
3Chihuahua or Ulzana
5 Kaatenay
6Cathlay
12 Mangas (?)
I agree with Naiches that no. 3 is not Bishtoyeh...
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Post by kayitah on Apr 22, 2012 18:07:06 GMT -5
I'll give it a try as well...  1 Nah-do-zin or Toclanny ? 2 3 Shoie ? 4 Dahkeya ? 5 Len-see 6 Chechil ? 7 8 9 Jozhe or Batsinas (Jason Betzinez) ? 10 Martine 11 Sta-losh 12 Kayitah? 13 Becalthay 14 Cathlay 15 unidentified man from photo with Ulzana, Cathlay and Ulzana's son Adam 16 17 Kaahtenny 18 19 Noche 20 man with the cap in C.S. Fly photographs ? 21 Mithlo or Gokliz ? 22 Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 23, 2012 15:05:45 GMT -5
Yes Naiche, I was not good with my eyes but it is raining a lot in France, now. It is very hard to see ... Well sorry for this apologize, I will try again with more concentration.
By the way, Naiche, I'm neither bobby nor JR, I'm just a French will do better next time ;D
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 23, 2012 15:19:04 GMT -5
Yes Naiche, I was not good with my eyes but it is raining a lot in France, now. It is very hard to see ... Well sorry for this apologize, I will try again with more concentration. By the way, Naiche, I'm neither bobby nor JR, I'm just a French will do better next time ;D Dont worry about little things, coeurrouge! In Moscow the sun is shining and someone smiles!   |
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 27, 2012 5:49:51 GMT -5
The man between Ulzana and Cathla was maybe Shoie. the both have thin nose and thin lips. It is the only I have who has this sort of nose and lips. What do you think? Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Apr 27, 2012 9:51:04 GMT -5
I have two ideas about this man: - 1- Could these studio photographs (below) show the same man as in the Florida image? Looking at the eyes, lips, distance from lips to chin, wrinkles and the relatively dark skin (he at least seems darker than Astoyeh and Ulzana's son Adam in the Florida photograph). Just a thought. - 2- On the other hand, the man standing with Cathlay, Astoyeh and Ulzana's son resembles no. 13 in the men's group photograph at Fort Marion... Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Apr 27, 2012 10:39:44 GMT -5
or how about Too-is-gah? Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 27, 2012 16:15:10 GMT -5
or how about Too-is-gah? Good idea! I was thinking about him too |
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 27, 2012 16:26:33 GMT -5
In my opinion, this man is possibly Nah-do-zinne....a Chiricahua! I say this because in the "well-known" photograph of Leaders at Mount Vernon Barracks, the man standing third from the right I have seen identified as Nah-do-zinne.......problem is though.......I have also seen this same man (same photo) identified as Chiricahua Jim........Jim, I don't think so.....Nah-do-zinne....Very possible, because of his "Very High Arched Eyebrows" and many other features of his face and size. The young man on the right is "Albert" Tooisgah for sure. He was Warm Springs, half-brother(same mother) of Casper Cailis. His wife was Ta-dis-kess, full sister of Ha-o-zinne, and he was a son-in-law of Beshe and U-go-hun. I believe that Tooisgah is possibly the one in the "Outing in St. Augustine" photo.....bottom, far left.... ? or how about Too-is-gah? |
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Very nice photo though!!!!
