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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 19, 2011 5:34:45 GMT -5
In addition to above, in Chihuahuas group of men sitting number 7 who we keep picking on, looks a lot like Jose First. Jose frist always wore a black vest and had bushy hair, very similar to number 7. José First could not be with José Second at Fort Marion. He did not participate at the 1885 outbreak. also he enlisted as scout with Chatto on may 1885, to fight the outbeakers. |
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Post by Second on Feb 19, 2011 12:45:15 GMT -5
thanks Coeurrouge,
Thanks for the info. Do you know Which group Jose First arrived with.
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 19, 2011 13:17:32 GMT -5
He arrived on Florida with the majority of the Chiricahuas, on the last of September 1886. There he was certainly welcome by José Second herre since april 1886.
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Post by jeroen on Feb 20, 2011 14:40:54 GMT -5
In Sweeney it is said that Jose First was one of the Chiricahuas who escorted Kayatennae to San Carlos to stand trial following his arrest in 1884...
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Post by Second on Feb 20, 2011 19:58:13 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I appreciate your info on Jose First. Can someone identify old lady Connie for me. Scout Connie's wife. I have written plenty about her in my book, but not sure what she looks like. thanks
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Post by jeroen on Feb 21, 2011 10:15:30 GMT -5
As far as I know, Old Lady Coonie refers to Tahdaste (or Dahteste), also known as Eliza Coonie; there are several portraits of her, the best known ones taken at the Omaha Exhibition in 1898.   and this one with Coonie in old age at Whitetail:  |
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 21, 2011 12:11:49 GMT -5
It is hard to say that they are the same man, Laziyah. I stay on my opinion to say no because they do not look to have the same mouth, the face under the medecine hat seem more thin... What do you think? Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 21, 2011 15:40:23 GMT -5
I am certain the man with mr Bruce is, despite the Bruce family tradition, not Geronimo who never was allowed to visit Fort Marion. Also, he does not look like the old warrior. I agree with Naiches it is Cathlay (Colle, Cullah, Curley etc) For some time I thought that the man usually identified as Laziyah, was actually Chihuahua himself, but the discussions in the Naiche thread convinced me he could well be Laziyah (who, in my opinion is also shown in the famous train photo). I got the impression from Sweeney's book that Tah ni toe was still a young fellow with no particular standing, and the image clearly shows a more prominent middle aged man... We can't be certain of course, but I doubt it is Tah ni toe and up to this point will stick with Laziyah... Coeurrouge, what is your argument for stating that you are nearly sure it is not Laziyah? I found that a John Tahnitoe aka Tah-Ni-Toe was borned about 1855..., so if it is right, Tah-Ni-Toe was older than Naiche. |
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 21, 2011 15:41:32 GMT -5
I am certain the man with mr Bruce is, despite the Bruce family tradition, not Geronimo who never was allowed to visit Fort Marion. Also, he does not look like the old warrior. I agree with Naiches it is Cathlay (Colle, Cullah, Curley etc) For some time I thought that the man usually identified as Laziyah, was actually Chihuahua himself, but the discussions in the Naiche thread convinced me he could well be Laziyah (who, in my opinion is also shown in the famous train photo). I got the impression from Sweeney's book that Tah ni toe was still a young fellow with no particular standing, and the image clearly shows a more prominent middle aged man... We can't be certain of course, but I doubt it is Tah ni toe and up to this point will stick with Laziyah... Coeurrouge, what is your argument for stating that you are nearly sure it is not Laziyah? I found that a John Tahnitoe aka Tah-Ni-Toe was borned about 1855..., so if it is right, Tah-Ni-Toe was older than Naiche. HAD the about the same of Naiche, sorry... |
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Post by josephine on Feb 22, 2011 8:49:06 GMT -5
I was able to identify the following individuals: front row, left to right: 3rd, Mangas 5th, Fun 6th, Geronimo back row, left to right: 6th, Perico 9th, Naiché Hello Kayitah! Front row, left to right: 1 HUNLONAH - 2 CHAPPO - 3 MANGUS - 6 GERONIMO Back row, left to right: 3 ZHONNE - 5 YAHNOZHA - 7 AHNANDIA - 8 FUN - 9 NAICHE |
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Post by Second on Feb 22, 2011 9:15:55 GMT -5
Hello guys in reference to Tah-das-te’s old lady Coonie, she was not known as Eliza Connie, she had a step daughter named Eliza Connie.
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Post by Second on Feb 22, 2011 9:21:43 GMT -5
Hello Jeroen,
Can you tell me where you found the photograph of old lady Connie in White Tail. I have written a lot about her and that picture will inhance that chapter. Thanks, Second.
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Post by kayitah on Feb 22, 2011 12:34:30 GMT -5
I was able to identify the following individuals: front row, left to right: 3rd, Mangas 5th, Fun 6th, Geronimo back row, left to right: 6th, Perico 9th, Naiché Hello Kayitah! Front row, left to right: 1 HUNLONAH - 2 CHAPPO - 3 MANGUS - 6 GERONIMO Back row, left to right: 3 ZHONNE - 5 YAHNOZHA - 7 AHNANDIA - 8 FUN - 9 NAICHE I agree about Yahnozha, but I'm not so sure about Ahnandia. Fun is in the first row, fifth from left. |
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 22, 2011 13:48:58 GMT -5
Hello Kayitah! Front row, left to right: 1 HUNLONAH - 2 CHAPPO - 3 MANGUS - 6 GERONIMO Back row, left to right: 3 ZHONNE - 5 YAHNOZHA - 7 AHNANDIA - 8 FUN - 9 NAICHE I agree about Yahnozha, but I'm not so sure about Ahnandia. Fun is in the first row, fifth from left. Perico is sixth from right, back row. |
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Post by xframe on Feb 22, 2011 14:12:17 GMT -5
Beside the long hair the man sec from right man has nothing in common with Yahnozha - Don't agree.   Edit: Releated original post disappeared  |
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