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Post by naiches2 on Nov 29, 2010 15:32:44 GMT -5
O, yes! I agree - is Colle/Catle/Kutli. On photo posted above (Chief Chihuahua band) he is man standing with drum firs right. Thanks, Jeroen  |
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Post by jeroen on Nov 30, 2010 7:10:29 GMT -5
I agree with you guys...
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Post by jeroen on Jan 13, 2011 7:21:45 GMT -5
In his new book Sweeney gives 15 names of men that were in Chihahua's group: Chihuahua. Ulzana, Nana, Cathla, Shoie, Nezulkide, Nahdozin, Eskinye, José Second, Seeltoe, Len-see, Ni-losh, Nezegochin, Tisna and Dahkeya and adds that five of them were in their late teens or early twenties... If we compare this with the image posted earlier by Perico...:  it is obvious there are some differences. Tisnah is not in the photo, and some names are different... Who is Jose Second? Any ideas? |
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Post by coeurrouge on Jan 13, 2011 12:21:22 GMT -5
I try an identification after reading Sweeney's new book.
Picking on the photo :
1 : Cathla (Colle, Kutli)
2 : Nezukilde
3 : Neze-Go-Chin
4 : Kla-Esh (Chihuahua)
5 : Eskinye
6 : Dah-Ke-Yah (Geronimo's son in law)
7 : Lidos-Nigi (José Second)
8 : Kas-Tziden (Nana)
9 : Nah-Dozin
10 : Shoie
11 : Ulzana
12 : Ni-Losh
13 : Len-see
14 : Seel-Toe
Tsina was the missing warrior I think.
I based my identifications on the describtions of the warriors by Sweeney (age, powerful) ad the written names or not on the photo.
I also prepared a challenge, for all of us, about the 144 Chiricahuas who left San Carlos on may 1885...to be continue.
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Post by jeroen on Jan 15, 2011 7:28:19 GMT -5
I think we can be certain of Cathla, Chihuahua, Dahkeya, Nana, Ulzana and that the missing warrior is Tsisnah... for the others, you might be right... your guess is as good as any... Hopefully we can come up with some new facts somehow to make sure we can fix all men with the right names...
Btw, looking forward to your challenge...
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 5, 2011 6:40:26 GMT -5
I found this cropped blow up of the Chihuahua/Nana group in Florida, may be helpful with identifying individual members:  the old woman behind Chihuahua, seems tobe Tascenola, wife of Beshe. Behind her, maybe, 2 wihes of Chihuahua. in front, one of 2 older boys could be Dosdotenay. |
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 5, 2011 6:48:25 GMT -5
This is Chihuahua's group on a ferry, going to St Augustine. Feel free to work on the ID's. Nana is fairly obvious. just right to Nana (on his left on the all group photo at Fort Marion), he is the same man I identified as Nezukilde on the warriors' photo . The 4th on the right of Nana is obviously Cathla. The 3th on the left of Nana could be Chihuahua. |
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Post by Second on Feb 9, 2011 22:31:30 GMT -5
Hello everyone! My name is Siggy Second Jumper. I am a Chiricahua descendent and Jose Second''s great-grandson. I am very involved in my culture and will love to learn and share knowledge of photographs and Chiricahua history.
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 10, 2011 1:28:58 GMT -5
Hello everyone! My name is Siggy Second Jumper. I am a Chiricahua descendent and Jose Second''s great-grandson. I am very involved in my culture and will love to learn and share knowledge of photographs and Chiricahua history. WOW! Hallow second, welcome to our small circle! We will be glad learn more about your ancestors and share our infos with your. |
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Post by Second on Feb 10, 2011 10:17:15 GMT -5
Hello Naiches! Thanks for the invite. Pls feel free to ask questions. Iam a singer with the Chiricahua Crown Dancers out of Mescalero, NM. I like what you guys got going here and decided to join in and contribute as much as I can, as well as learn from you guys. I have been writing a book for the past 5 yrs. It will bring light to new material and give the readers some never published photos and stories.
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Post by Second on Feb 10, 2011 10:20:30 GMT -5
Is there anyone here from Mescalero? The names Naiches and Perico caught my attention. All the singers in my group are descendents from the Apaches in these photos.
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Post by Second on Feb 10, 2011 10:45:51 GMT -5
On the train picture. You guys have it right from L to R is Jasper Kanseah, Yahnozha. I believe the young man below Lozen is David Kazhe. David was born in 1869. Him and Jasper were Geronimo's youngest warrriors. Perhaps the small frame lady next to Lozen is Tah-das-te, married to scout Kuni. She was born in 1860
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Post by jeroen on Feb 10, 2011 12:24:23 GMT -5
Hello Second! Good to have you on these boards, I am looking forward to your contributions a perhaps some never published photos!
Could you point out your great grandfather in one of the images above?
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 10, 2011 14:43:26 GMT -5
hello from France and bienvenue Second in our circle.
in the 144 challenge's topic, we try to identify the 144 outbreakers on may 1885. It said by the historian Sweeney that your ancestor José Second was part of them. If you can confirm the informations we got and complete (age, family...), we will very glad. Can you identify on the photo fo chihuahua's warrior, your ancestor?
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 10, 2011 14:46:26 GMT -5
I found this cropped blow up of the Chihuahua/Nana group in Florida, may be helpful with identifying individual members: Jeroen, can you post in the same dimensions, the left and the right side of the original photo. thanks. |
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