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Post by charlie on Jan 14, 2009 9:43:46 GMT -5
This is, very probably, the line-up of the image above: Standing (L to R) = Fasatche Emathla - Abraham (interpreter) Sitting (L to R) = Sarparkee Yoholo - John Jumper - Billy Bowlegs - Chocote Tustenuggee The most important were John Jumper (son of the great chief Jumper) and Billy Bowlegs (nephew of the great chief Micanopy).
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Post by charlie on Jan 14, 2009 2:37:36 GMT -5
At comment of this image, the author of the book write: <<The original of this photo is in the Morrow Collection (University of South Dakota). Enhance the authenticity of the picture also the description of a spoil take to the Crow by Crazy Horse, He Dog and other warriors, quotes by Mari Sandoz in his book "Crazy Horse": ".....any good Crow's horses and a couple of those wool's cloaks with hood that shelter from the winter's storm....". In fact, Crazy Horse almost appear clumsy by one of those cloaks, unfit to his figure. The face, also if hard markes, communicates anyway majesty and dignity!>>. In my heart, i would want that his face had been truly so!
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Post by charlie on Jan 12, 2009 12:30:46 GMT -5
I like too much the image above. I have seen many books that labelled it "CRAZY HORSE - Oglala" photographer: Stanley J. Morrow - and i always have belived that it really represented him: a very proud, hostile and savage man!
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Post by charlie on Dec 9, 2008 6:35:15 GMT -5
Hi Jinlian. There is another famous Southern Cheyenne called Little Chief. He was photographed in a 1851 delegation together White Antelope and Alights on a Cloud. In that image, he is often exchanged with famous chief Roman Nose. Father De Smet also called him Red Skin. I think that he died in 1852. Other infos about him? Thanks.
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Post by charlie on Dec 5, 2008 6:28:17 GMT -5
What is the correct line-up of the 1870 delegation photo? From left to right: (standing) BEAR SKIN - RED DOG - ROCKY BEAR (knelling) LIVING BEAR - RED FOX It's rhght? Thanks.
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Post by charlie on Nov 26, 2008 6:08:44 GMT -5
Hi Kingsley. In Italy, many authors translate his name as CARTUCCIA (Cartridge) DI (of) FERRO (Iron) perhaps because, in nature, don't exsit "Shell" makes with iron's material. Anyway, if the word PANKESKA meaning "Shell" i prefer labelled him as CONCHIGLIA (Shell) DI FERRO. Many thanks.
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Post by charlie on Nov 25, 2008 4:50:25 GMT -5
I have these names for Iron Shell: PAKESKA MAZA and MAZA PANGESKA. Which is more correct? SHELL is agreed as "CARTRIDGE" or "CLAM" ? Which is the correct translation? Thanks.
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Post by charlie on Nov 21, 2008 7:18:28 GMT -5
Dietmar, go here: NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN CHIEFS OGLALA SIOUX PHOTO SU EBAY.IT NATIVE
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Post by charlie on Nov 19, 2008 10:24:00 GMT -5
RED BEAR the Sans Arc? ....Yes, it's possible,he was present at the delegation. I have saved the file of the site, but i am not able to copy it in this board. What is your e-mail?
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Post by charlie on Nov 19, 2008 6:59:53 GMT -5
On this site: cgi.ebay.it/native-american there is the start photo of this thread. Our man is labelled GOOD VOICE (Yanktonai). But i have seen several mistakes on the identification of the others chiefs of the same image.....
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Low Dog
Nov 13, 2008 2:39:18 GMT -5
Post by charlie on Nov 13, 2008 2:39:18 GMT -5
What a wonderful image! What sense of savage and hostility! I like too much M. Brady. Very strange that only Red Dog is a famous chief; the others are not. I think that must exsist other photos of that important delegation, in group or individual, somewhere in any Museum or Archivies.....Is not possible that Brady had make only one click! The delegation stopped several days in Washington. Anyway, the our man in 1868 Treaty photo remain a rebus...
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Low Dog
Nov 11, 2008 10:49:00 GMT -5
Post by charlie on Nov 11, 2008 10:49:00 GMT -5
I'm very interesting about the 3 photos of Fort Laramie Treaty (1868). Who really is the mysterious man: RED BEAR (Sans Arc) or YELLOW BEAR (Spleen Oglala) I think more probably this last, because at the time (1868) he was surely more important. But i have controlled with attention all the signers, of every subdivision, of that treaty, and I HAVEN'T FOUND NO chiefs named "Red Bear" or "Yellow Bear". Could be the guy another chief? George Hyde stated (in "Red Cloud Folk") that Yellow Bear I° travelled to Washington in June 1870, with Red Cloud and other chiefs, all Oglala. Anyone know if exsist an image of that important delegation? If yes, surely we could see also Yellow Bear and make a comparison with the mysterious man. I have seen, anywhere in LBHA, an image named Yellow Bear (Spleen band) by Mitchell, but i think he is the younger brother, not him. Can anyone tell me how and why Yellow Bear was killed, in 1870 or 1871, on the village near Rawhide Butte Creek? Thanks.
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Post by charlie on Nov 7, 2008 7:16:10 GMT -5
Dietmar: your informations are very interesting. Now, i like this chief much more!
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Post by charlie on Nov 6, 2008 7:09:33 GMT -5
Ok Jinlian: I have no problems with the Italian language! However, i think that him was generally a peaceful chief; i prefer the warrior and brave chiefs....
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Post by charlie on Nov 6, 2008 6:12:12 GMT -5
Ok Ephriam: now, i labelled him so: Oyuhpe band - Makaicu clan - Oglala subdivision.
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