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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 26, 2022 16:40:14 GMT -5
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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 11, 2022 4:00:44 GMT -5
Thanks for your support. There is a book about him : Naiche, fils de cochise / Author (French) Giovanni Del Franco (Auteur).
Only 16 euros, The author wrote also about Chatto, Mangus, Nana, a book about the broncos stayed in the Sierra and a new one about JUH. I never read because how was it possible to write one book/year seriously about the Chiricahuas. It was because of his biography about Naiche, I began to do my work in 2019. If the autho could do one, I can do it a better one.
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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 8, 2022 16:27:57 GMT -5
26th of August, in the morning, Naiche and Goyakla called for Nantan Bse-che near Lawton’s troops camp. The Lieutenant came and heard from Goyakla that the renegades would surrender to Miles north of the border. Until this formal surrender the Chiricahuas would keep their arms and would travelled apart from the troops. Naiche and his fellows wanted Lawton followed them just behind for protection against a Mexican attack and also that Nantan Bse-che, Wratten, Kayitah and Eskinelata stayed with them. Then Lieutenant Gatewood introduced Goyakla and certainly Naiche to Captain Lawton who accepted the renegades’ wishes until the surrender. They were agreed that the meeting with Miles would take place at Skeleton Canyon. After this meeting Naiche brought all his band just near of Lawton’s camp. They would wait about the pack train of Lawton.
27th of August, after the pack train was arrived, they moved north during the afternoon. The Blue soldiers and the Chiricahuas went separatly as expected, Naiche was in command of the Chiricahuas’s march. Naiche with his band camped some distance from the troops.
28th of August, like the blue soldiers, the Chiricahuas saw two hundred of Mexican’s soldiers coming to them apparently ready to fight. While Lawton sent officers to discuss and to inform the Mexican about the surrender of the Chiricahuas. Naiche and his fellows, joined by Nantan Bse-che and his few followers, decided to put distance with the Mexicans. Protected in the rear by Naiche and some warriors, they finally stopped after ten miles. They were ready to join the blue soldiers in the case of a fight between the Mexicans and the Americans. Just after their stop, a lieutenant sent by Lawton came and informed the Chiricahuas that the Mexican chief, the prefect of Arispe, wanted to hear from Goyakla that they really surrendered. Goyakla and Naiche accompagnied by some warriors and the US officers met the Mexicans. After a scene of bravados which almost became a fight, Goyakla expressed again their distrust of the Mexicans and his promise of surrender. The meeting ended and all came back to their camps. Uncomfort about the presence of so much enemies’ troops from both nation near them, Naiche decided to move early in the morning.
29th and 30th of August, even the Chiricahuas did their departure early the morning, they moved slowly because of the command of Lawton which made time to arrive.
31st of August, Captain Lawton let his command to a subordinate and reached a heliograph station to communicate with Miles. During his absence, the Chiricahuas and the troops crossed the border by the Guadalupe Canyon. When the dispatches of Miles were known by the troops, the officers openly talked about killing or seizing the renegades. Miles in his messages said he did not want to meet Goyakla and Naiche. He also suggested to elimate Naiche and the Shaman. Some Chiricahuas heard about the talkings and alerted the others. As Chief, Naiche certainly ordered to get away from the Guadalupe Canyon to avoid a deadly treachery. Nantan Bse-che overtook them after some miles of pursuit. He convinced them to stop and he invited Goyakla with Wratten and him to return confronting the officers. Standing up beside Goyakla and threatening to kill any officer who would attempt any treachery, Lieutenant Gatewood saved the peaceful surrender. With the hasty return of Captain Lawton, the calm came back. This attitude provoked by the messages of the head commander surely put definitivly in the mind of Naiche that all the blue soldiers were the same. He would keep his distant behaviour until the final surrender.
2nd of September, the Chiricahuas and Lawton’s troops reached their goal, Skeleton Canyon, west of the Peloncillo Mountains. Miles was not there in the great disappointment of the Chiricahuas while the day before Wratten, Kayitah and Ischi were send to Fort Bowie to hurry the General. This absence and the fact they saw the presence or trails of a lot of troops made them nervous. Naiche and Goyakla decided to camp deeper in the canyon, in high places. Apparently, they made two separate camps. Did they have arguments or did they want to avoid a total destruction if an attack occurred? I do not know. I think with Goyakla were his wife She-gah, Biyaneta the wife of Ischi, Yahe-chul, Ahnandia, Naclede, Yanozah with their wife and Kanseah. All the others, eleven warriors, eight women and five children were camping with Naiche. Naiche returning in USA seemed to hesitate about the surrender. The delay of Miles and bad memories about the fate of his grandfather and his other “father” stressed certainly him.
3rd of September, in the afternoon, General Miles finally arrived ready to accept the surrender of the renegades. Goyakla came down the mountain to meet him. Naiche did not. Officialy he was waiting anxiously the return of Atelnietze from Mexico. But I think Naiche delayed as long as he could the surrender because he was in a melancholic stupor and did not trust Miles. After his meeting with Miles, Goyakla came with Nantan Bse-che in Naiche’s camp. They found the chief on a bluff, more watching the Chiricahuas Mountains he cherished than waiting for Atelnietze who was maybe present in the camp. Goyakla explained that the General promised to be reunited with their family in Florida. When they would be there, as prisoners of war, the Grandfather of USA would decid about their fate. Goyakla expressed his good feelings about Miles. The missing of his family, the words of Goyakla and the fact Nantan Bse-che recalled Naiche that he had to respect his surrender promise convinced the young Chief.
4th of September, Naiche, putting outside his mind his fear, came down to meet Miles. But he came alone. He wanted to known what had to say Miles. The General explained they would go to Fort Bowie, took a train and go east to join Kla-esch in Florida. In the same place, all the Chiricahuas from Fort Apache would go too. The renegades would be considered as Prisoners Of War but they could stay with their family. Miles promised that nobody would harm the renegades. Certainly, still suspicious Naiche accepted to give up, an unknown future as prisoner and led his group to the formal surrender. Naiche was the last Chief of a Native American Tribe to surrender to the USA.
5th of September, Naiche, Goyakla, surely Biyaneta, Moh-tsos, Kilthdigay and Hunlonah went to Fort Bowie with Miles. They arrived in the evening at the Fort, joining Ischi and Kayitah. Naiche would wait the remanants of hid band in the fort. Fort Bowie was the symbolic adversary of the Chokonens in the mountains that his father owned by commanding his band until his death.
8th of September the whole band arrived in the morning at Fort Bowie with a new member, the little daughter of Naclede and Nochlon born the evening before, but without seven others who escaped and came back Mexico. Naiche’s loyal “brother” with all his family were among them. Atelnietze after another provocation from a young officer, decided that he prefered the life in the Sierra Madre he knew than the uncertain and threatening future in Florida. With his two wives, his child, his son Satsitnitsu, at this time a warrior, Nat-cul-baye and his wife Cruz they went south. It was certainly another psychologic pain to Naiche, this day. I think Atelnietze’s group looked for and found Mangus’ group . They exchanged informations and when Mangus learnt about the deportation of the survivors of his extended family, he led his group north. I think Nachol and his family stayed with Atelnietze in the Sierra Madre. In his way north, the stealing of mules at Corralitos by the two teenage boys Daklugie and certainly Istee, definitively convinced Mangus to surrender. He would do it near Fort Apache, 18th of October. With him, were his wife Dilth-cleyhen, his mother Bey-gin-shoos, his stepdaughters Bes-hade and Chestuen, his daugther Cora, his son Tsil-tsoe, certainy his nephew Chachu, his brother-in-law Istee, the orphan’son of Tandinbilnojui, Daklugie and two warriors Eskineltze and Goso.
8th of September 1886, some hours after the troops disarmed the warriors, Naiche and his band were put on wagons in direction to Bowie Station. There, with the two scouts Kayitah and Eskinelata, the interpreter Wratten, soldiers to escort them, Naiche and his band got on a train. It quitted the station just before 3:00 PM to the east, to Florida. At this time the US government declared the end of the Apache’s wars even Atelnietze would lead several raids and fights during years. Just before enter in the train 8th of September 1886, Naiche was feeling the ground of his birthland, under his feet, for the last time of his life. Leaving Arizona, he certainly contemplated for his memory the sacred mountains of his Chokoken’s band, Tse-ga-ta-hen-de, the Chiricahuas Mountains.
NEXT : PRISONER OF WAR...BUT NANTAN.
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Post by coeurrouge on Dec 5, 2022 13:13:19 GMT -5
No book yet and certainly never even I will try to be published. just my work based on research (books, NARA, helps from fellows in this forum) and my intuition I will have to confirm.
Thanks for the support.
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 27, 2022 11:29:14 GMT -5
North of Cumpas, looking for stock and apparently amunitions Naiche and his warriors attacked, 8th of August, the San Luis mines, killing two men. I think the women and children escorted by some warriors crossed the valley and gained the Sierra Madre moving north to the Sierra de Las Teras. On their way north along the valley, 9th of August, the warriors shot on a courier of the Blue Soldiers but missed the man. This man certainly gave his first alert in the Santa Rosa mines. Six Americans left these mines to follow the trail of the renegades. But Naiche and Goyakla fearing a pursuit made an ambush to stop them before joining their women children. Twenty miles north of Cumpas, 11th of August one hour before noon, they ambushed the six Americans. The fight lasted six to seven hours. It was a hard one. Goyakla was injured, two Americans were wounded and three others were killed. The survivor escaped to Bacoachi. During the fight Naiche had a deadly duel with his Winchester. Naiche missed the American at his first shot, while the enemy injured lightly Naiche. The second shot of the young Nantan killed the enemy. After the fight the Chiricahuas took the weapons, the amunitions and the horses of their victims but they did not execut the wounded certainly by order of Naiche.
In their way to join their kinfolk they raided Turicachi and stole stocks, 12th of August. Full of plunder but exhausted, they needed time to a long rest and to think about their life during the next months and the winter coming. They used their old trick against the Mexicans to get time. 13th of August, at the evening, Goyakla spoke to three vaqueros just north of the Cuchuta Hacienda. He said the renegades wanted a truce. The vaqueros returned to their hacienda and came back with their alcade. The officer promised a meeting with the prefect of Fronteras two days later. 15th of August, Naiche, Goyakla and Nat-cul-baye met the prefect of Fronteras near the Cuchuta Hacienda. The prefect could not promise anything but said he would ask terms from the Governor of Sonora. Naiche and Goyakla said they could wait eight days and certainly asked for a pass to trade at Fronteras. Apparently, they obtained the agreement. Just after the meeting, the renegades moved fifteen miles northeast of Fronteras and established their camp on the top of a mountain.
19th of August, they send two women and two men to trade at Fronteras for mescal and food they did not have. The two women were Tas-de-the, the new wife of Ahnandia and Cruz the second wife of Nat-cul-baye who certainly had old trade partners at Fronteras. The two men, surely Ahnandia and maybe Kilthdigay, did not enter the city and waited the women some miles east of Fronteras. I think, in the same time Naiche moved their camp east of Batepito, north of the Rio San Bernardino. Naiche and Goyakla did not trust the Mexicans so they chose this campsite because it allowed them to watch from distance in every direction a possible threat. Even they would be attack, their enemies would have a very steep climb under fireguns to reach their camp. In the evening, 20th of August at Fronteras, the women met a Lieutenant of the US Army. This officer said them to bring a message to their chiefs. The new commander in Arizona, was ready to spare the life of all the renegades. The next morning, with three horses loaded of foods and mescal, the women returned to their camp. With their escort of the two warriors, they certainly joined the camp during the afternoon.
Naiche was surely thinking of the next steps. Maybe he tought to join his uncle Mangas to have reinforcement for the winter and to make bigger raids. When the four Chiricahuas came back from Fronteras, they talked about the offer of the blue officer. But just the promise to have the spare of their life was not enough for Naiche to surrender. During two days, always on alert, the men had a mescal binge. They never really tought to have a permanent truce with the Mexicans, they just wanted time to rest and to trade. Naiche knew they have more days before moving again. During the afternoon, 24th of August, the sentry Kanseah alerted that he saw, by his binoculars, two men approaching their camp. All the men took their guns and waited for news. Yanozah came near Kanseah to watch the coming men. Soon, he saw they were alone, Apaches and one hold a stick with a white flag. When the two apaches began to climb Yanozah recognized his “brothers” from his mother’ side, Kayitah and Eskinelata. Yanozah informed Naiche and the others. Goyakla hating the Chiricahuas who served as scouts wanted to kill them but he found a strong opposition of Yanozah, his last brother-in-law. Supported by other warriors, Yanozah got gain from the band toward Goyakla. Naiche certainly acted as chief and following the majority and his “brother’s” opinion, ordered to let the two Chiricahuas to come in the camp and listen why they risked a long journey from Turkey Creek and their life to meet them.
Eskinelata and Kayitah explained they were part of a little blue soldier’s expedition led by Nantan Bse-che. Their mission was to talk about a peacefull surrender with the renegades. They said that end of June, General Miles, the new head commander in Arizona, had a council with the Chiricahuas at Turkey Creek. He was accompagnied by Thomas Jeffords, the old friend of Naiche’s father. The general looked for volunteers to guid his peacefull expedition. After Tah-ni-toe and Yo-tah-ah declined, Noche and Pedes-klinje designated Kayitah and Eskinelata . They also talked about their life in the reservation. They raised stock and farmed some acres each, begining to be self-sufficient. They were well fed and sleep without fear. Kayitah warmed Naiche and his band that they had no more friends around them, surrender would be the best for them and maybe they could come back living near their kinfolk at Turkey Creek. Hearing the two emissaries, Naiche was glad to learn that Tah-ni-toe was alived and safe in the reservation. He also understood that Yo-tah-ah, after his wife killed another woman in July 1885, lost his credit and finally joined the White Mountain during the last spring after he married a wife from Alchesay’s clan. Naiche was certainly reassured that his old friend Pedes-klinje, with Noche and Bish-to-yay, Kayitah’s father, took care of the Chokonens living in the reservation. The two “brothers” of Yanozah also continued their story. First days of July, they were immediately sent to Fort bowie where they waited for a week Nantan Bse-che. He arrived with the interpreter Wratten, well known by the Chiricahuas since he had worked at San Carlos. With them were two civilians. At Fronteras they were joined by thirty scouts and their officer. The same scouts that attacked a month ago Naiche and his Chiricahuas.
After listening with attention Kayitah and Eskinelata, Naiche and Goyakla sent back the latter to Nantan Bse-che to show their peace intentions and ordered Kayitah to stay with them. Goyakla gave a gift and Naiche a message to the Lieutenant. Naiche said they were ready to talk about surrender terms with Nantan Bse-che the next morning and asked Eskinelata to guid the blue soldier to their camp. The renegades had certainly talkings during the night and apparently decided where the meeting would take place, that they wanted to return to the reservation as was allowed Tah-ni-toe. They also would send in front an unarmed man to watch the newcomers and Goyakla would again be their spokesman but Naiche would interfere if it would need. 25th of August 1886, in the morning, guided by Eskinelata, Lieutenant Gatewood came with food and tobacco to the meeting with Wratten, Lieutenant Brown and his thirty scouts. Soon they were spotted by the unarmed warrior who said Naiche and Goyakla wanted peace. He certainly returned immediately to his camp to inform that Nantan Bse-che was coming but with the Apache’s scouts. Naiche then ordered Ischi and two other warriors to intercept the Lieutenant. Naiche and Goyakla wanted to meet only Nantan Bse-che and certainly not the scouts who attacked them a month ago. Ischi had also to indicate the location Naiche chose for the meeting. Ischi executed well the order. Armed, they told Gatewood to send back Lieutenant Brown and his scouts to their camp and informed Gatewood that Naiche wanted to discuss along the San Bernardino River under shade of trees. Apparently Naiche did not want that US soldiers saw their mountain camp. All the warriors came one by one except certainly Kanseah and Satsitnitsu who stayed with the women and children. Naiche was the last to arrive, sure that there was not a treachery. He was distant, with a sad attitude and shook the hands of Nantan Bse-che. After Nantan Bse-che shared the tobacco and after smoking, Goyakla began the talkings.
He asked to Gatewood, Miles’ terms for them. The Lieutenant answered Miles offered two options, a total surrender and to join Kla-esch and his group in Florida, waiting the final decision of the President of the United States or fight until death. Goyakla replied they were ready to surrender but only to return at Turkey Creek living as before in the reservation. But Gatewood said the offer of Miles was not negociable. The renegades suspended the meeting to discuss about theses terms. After one hour and lunch, through Goyakla they showed they were resoluted to refuse Miles’ terms. Goyakla provoked Nantan Bse-che, saying “Take us to the reservation or fight!”. Feeling the lieutenant and Wratten seemed threaten by these words, Naiche reassured them that if they chose fighting, they could return in their camp safely. Then quietly Gatewood informed the Chiricahuas that in the same time they talked, general Miles was deporting all the Chiricahuas from Fort Apache to Florida. Even the renegades could return in the reservation they would live alone without their relatives and surrounded by Apache enemies ready to kill them whenever they could. The news of the deportation stunned incredibly Naiche and his fellows. Goyakla asked if Nantan Bse-che lied, he answered that he told the truth. Sawing Kayitah and Eskinelata chocked as them certainly convinced them that Nantan Bse-che was very serious.
The renegades suspended the council again to retire just some yards and talked between them. They were totally confused. At Naiche’s birth, thirty years before, the Chiricahuas owned the southwest of New Mexico and the southeast of Arizona but at this time it seemed there were no Chiricahuas anymore in the southwest of USA. Naiche and his band knew during this period they had lost their US homelands, that a lot of their kinkflok perished or disappeared and that their way of life was gone. But they still had the opportunity to live in a reservation together with a life if all did not like it, meant a survival project for their tribe. But the words expressed Nantan Bse-che, disorientated all of them. It was like a terrible fog in the darkness suddenly appeared in front of them. They returned at the council after one hour of talkings. Goyakla was still their spokesman, but he was disjointed saying they would stay in the warpath, but they need to eat a beef first. Not finding cattle he asked Gatewood what kind of man was General Miles and advices of what to do. Until the end of the council, Naiche stayed quiet certainly conscious that all was said, and they had to take their final decision for their survival future. Tired, Lieutenant Gatewood stopped the council and, asking by Goyakla, he said that if he was one of their band he would surrender to Miles. He also adviced the renegades to take their decision during the night and informed him the tomorrow morning. With his interpreters he came back in his camp where was waiting Captain Lawton and his troops.
During the night the Chiricahuas talked about which decision they would take. Apparently Naiche was one of the last to say his decision, but it seemed he took it very soon after Gatewodd announced the deportation of the Chiricahuas living in Fort Apache. When he refused the exile of Nantan Lupan, five months before, he still tought he could surrender and return living among his band at Fort Apache. But this option was over if all had been deported. His wives and his children were already in Florida and he missed them very much. At this time, it was the turn of his mother, his sisters and all the Chokonens. Naiche certainly thought it was time to surrender and to share the fate of his band in exil. The relatives of Goyakla, Ischi, Yahe-chul and Ahnandia were the first to announce their desire of surrender, following by Naiche and his Chokonens. All accepted to give up, but they would ask two conditions. They wanted to have a formal surrender in USA with General Miles and even they would be prisonners they wanted to stay or to live again with their family.
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 27, 2022 11:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 27, 2022 11:06:56 GMT -5
Naiche (trying to avoid too much repetition, so no Fly photos again, for example...) 1880? With his mother, two wives and children 1916 1915 1915 Circa 1915 In Florida In Florida: Chihuahua, Naiche, Loco, Nana, Geronimo At Fort Pickens: Geronimo, Naiche, Mangas With wife and children; Rinehart photo, 1898 Rinehart photo, 1898 1898 (Rinehart photo) 1898 (Rinehart photo) 1898 (Rinehart photo) Fort Sill Fort Sill Fort Sill Fort Sill Unknown, Haozinne (Naiche's third wife), Fun, Naiche and Nahbay Fort Sam Houston(?), 1886 Fort Sam Houston(?), 1886 Fort Sam Houston(?), 1886 Fort Sam Houston(?), 1886 Naiche and his wife, Nadeyole,E-Clah-eh, April 1884 Naiche (Randall photo, 1884) Thanks to whoever posted some of the images originally and provided identifications; thanks also to Coeurrouge for correcting a few identifications. Several posts have been updated over the last couple of days.
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 18, 2022 7:20:37 GMT -5
Posting all my Apache photos before I delete them, so bear with me if some are over-familiar, some are misidentified, some have no identification at all and that I'm doing this over several postings... Zele Zele and Tzes-ton Yanozha White Mountain scouts, 1873 Hosea at San Carlos Eskiminzin Casadora and his wives Muster Day, San Carlos Agent and chiefs Camp Apache Tonto Apaches or are they Yavapai? Scouts Scouts Is the middle guy the Apache Kid? White Mountain Apaches Mojave Jim Mojave Jim Sergeant Jim? Yavakishi Coyotero warrior Papori, Coyotero 10th Cavalry and scouts One of them was maybe Thadotun, aka Big Charley, a newphew of Naiche. Chago? Chiricahua boy Chiricahua HunlonahJosé First (Chiricahua) Loco Alchesay/Alchise Nosey Chato Chato Ignoto José Second and José First (Chiricahua) Apache Lake, Sierra Blanca Range Chago? Scouts Ahnandia Naiche and family Bonito, not the Bénito (Yo-tah-ah) who had lived with the Chiricahuas Chino Ignoto,Lupe White Mountain - though it doesn't look like the 'Ignoto' above Gudezchah Hesh-pi-die, Aka Spitty? The young "nephew" of Chihuahua who killed with stones Charly Mc Comas in 1883 ? San Carlos, 1884 Apache police, San Carlos. Photo by Rothrock Apaches in Phoenix - photo by Rothrock Photo by Rothrock John Mutton Scouts at Camp Verde More to follow...
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 11, 2022 12:59:40 GMT -5
Geronimo's sister Ish ish's family: Isch isch (sister Geronimo) born cir. 1808. Children: 1, possibly daughter Ja junta born cir 1843 2. Son Pase-kanny born c.1838, x Naw kees naw (Nawkeesman / Nakeezna later Maggie Diamond) in 1889 had 6 children : 1. Daughter : Denali (Ellen Diamond) born cir 1860 - after 1929 x 1st ?? had one son Gulneduhe (Will/Neill Wright) born cir 1886 x Nabeja (b.1873) they had 5 children: Dora (1915),Owen/Tee (1919-1922), Emma (1922), Charlotte (1924), Edith (1928). x 2nd Nazatyne (Ernest Diamond) born cir 1851, 1 daughter Adaltsis/Nauelecha (Tess Diamond) b.cir 1901/04 2. Daughter: Nasleesnah/Nawleesnaw (born cir. 1861) x Skinney/Kinney (b.1857)They had 7 children: 1. Daughter not sure about the name but something like: Zaty vella? (b.1883) 2. Daughter: Ara / Nadzinlake (B.1885-1947) X 1ste Dodejaga/ Lee Baylish (B.1882 - 1918) son of William Baylish (b. 1843) x Nantinitl/Laura Logan (1845-1918) they had three children: Harry ( 1908-1919), Frank (1914-1919), a daughter (1917-1918) X 2nd Walter Chegay Zee (b. 1898) on 29 jan 1921. They had 4 children: Delfinia (1921-1934), Zella/Felda (1923-1992)married and had 4 children, Walter (1926-1926), Daughter (1927-1927). 3. Son: Y oghee / Do hche/ Allan Skinney (b.1886) 4. Son: Nah gie gah lay / Nea hal say (b.1889) 5. Son: ? (b.1891) 6. Son: Tahdah tchilchelay (b.1893) 7. Son: John (b.1899) 3. Son: Nah-kiss/ Nawkees born c.1865 x Naw tlay dintah (b.1874) they had at least 6 children: 1. Son: Beya gas lah (b.1886) x Jah pah atlay (b.1887) 2. Daughter: Nahezadeskay (b.1891) 3. Son: Lo kelh / So kleh (b.1893) 4. Daughter: Abbie/Allie (b.1898) 5. Son ?: Balth (b.1898) is possibly Abbie 6. Son: Joseph/Myron (b.1900) 4. son born c.1870 5 son: Nal-chinnay born c.1878. - 2 boys and 1 girl born after 1883 Naw kees naw (Nawkeesman / Nakeezna can be found on de census near her daughter Naleesnah until 1905, from 1906 she lives with her daughter Denali. Ja junta could be the mother of Kanseah. if it was the case, she was certainly killed in January 1877.
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 1, 2022 9:50:53 GMT -5
Altogether, while they let Nat-cul-baye and certainly Beshe guided their women and children more south to escape the 10th cavalry’ soldiers, Naiche and Goyakla made the ambush. It was at the eastern side of la Sierra de Pinito. They placed their fifteen men and certainly Satsitnitsu above the soldiers in a U ambush. About 7:00AM the fight began and lasted one hour when Naiche ordered to leave appreciating but also carefull about the courage of these soldiers. But Naiche achieved his plan to stop the pursuit and gained some days in advance. The US soldiers, who releaved the black soldiers of 10th Cavalry, chased ghosts because they thought the renegades would go south. Apparently, they took a rest of some days, in the northwestern of la Sierra de Pinito, twenty miles south of Nogales. 10th of May some warriors killed two Americans and the next all the band ambushed successvly two Mexican’s forces. They killed three men and caught thirhty-three horses with their supplies and ammunitions. They had no casualty. Naiche, realizing that the US Army wanted no rest for his band, decided it was time to find another option of surrender. First, they had to quit the mountains where they had several fights recently to avoid troops searching them.
He led his band thirty miles east. 14th of May, escorted by older’s warriors, the women and children moved north to the border, in the mountains east of Santa Cruz. In the same time, Naiche led a raid with nine warriors to get fresh mounts in schedule to reach Fort Apache quickly. Soon after guided by two Mexicans, new US troopers were spotted by the Chiricahuas. Naiche and his men tried to stop them, in the morning 15th of May, but the troopers succeeded to invade the camp, captured mounts, supplies and chased the inhabitants. Naiche did not quited before attempting to get back their belongings. At noon, while the troopers got a short rest in a spring, Naiche attacked with his warriors. They killed two soldiers and injured two others and recovered their stock. This troop retreated to Santa Cruz. To avoid and put distance with this troop, the Chiricahuas moved southeast in the Sierra de Cananea. There they thought to take a rest of several days before moving north in Arizona. But another troop patrolling in the area attacked them, 16th of May an hour before noon. They had no casualty, again, but they lost horses, some guns and ammunitions. Worst for Naiche, a warrior was lost. He could reunite with them but enough of this life and anxious to see again his family at Turkey Creek, the warrior decided to leave his fellows and came north, alone, without arms and mount. This warrior was the closest friend of Naiche, since their childhood, Tah-ni-toe .
Naiche was persuaded Nantan Lupan was not the only American Chief who could decide their fate in Arizona. He tought it was possible that another would listen and allow them to come back safely in the reservation. It made sense for the majority of his band and all decided to follow Naiche. Goyakla was reluctant, it seemed, but isolated he followed. To penetrate in Arizona with women and children, Naiche needed a diversion which would enter in Arizona, by the Mules Mountains, east of their position. Ischi or Atelnietze led this group of five warriors. This group was composed certainly of single warriors who were, I think, Moth-sos, Kilthdiday, Hunlonah and Zhonne. Whereas the diversion’s group moved east, 17th of May, Naiche and the rest of the band went back to Nogales. After killing five men in their way, 19th of May, they crossed the border west of Nogales. Apparently uncomfortable in Arizona, knowing a US Army‘s troop was one day behind them, Goyakla and Nat-cul-baye had second thoughts about Naiche’s plan and prefered to stay in Mexico, waiting for news. With them I think, stayed Kanseah, considered a warrior surely since Ulzana’s raid, Cruz the wife of Nat-cul-baye, the older wife of Goyakla Shta-she, the young girl Leo-shanne and the woman’s captive. Naiche continued northeast with nine warriors, his teenage “nephew” Satsitnitsu and fifteen women and children.
Naiche wanted to unite with the five’s men diversion. 20th of May they reached the Whetstone Mountains where they killed three men. They had marched, at least, one hundred miles accross mountains in three days, fighting along the road. Apparently, they rested, 21st of May and the next day moving north they raided a ranch to get beef food. But the raid was signaled and a civilians’ force surprised them some hours after, south of the Rincon Mountains. Losing some horses, the Chiricahuas escaped easily but Naiche thought to divide his forces. Moving north with all the band was too risky for the women and children. I think Naiche ordered the women and children to take refuge in the Rincon Moutains east of Tucson. He let Beshe, Nah-bay, La-zi-yah and Satsitnitsu to protect them. With Ischi or Atelnietze, Yanozah, Yahe-chul, Ahnandia, Tsilnothos and Naclede, Naiche moved east to the Winchester Mountains where they met the five men diversion’s group, at the evening of 22nd of May. Four more men Kilthdigay, Hunlonah, Zhonne and Atelnietze I think, were sent, or because they did not want to go to Fort Apache, in protection of the women and children. Despite some skirmishes, Naiche’s plan got well at this time. To reach the Chiricahuas’camp at Turkey Creek, they still had to cross at least one hundred miles of territory with more enemies, American soldiers and civilians but also Apaches some maybe from their own tribe. And their few friends or knowledges would be watched by the soldiers like Naiche’s brother-in-law Eskiminzin.
In two days, discretly they arrived five miles southeast of the Chiricahuas’ camps. At sundown, 25th of May, Naiche and his men went to their kinfolk on foot. Naiche hoped he could allow his band to surrender in Fort Apache and to return in the reservation living like before the 1885’s outbreak. It is not sure if he was the only renegade to enter in the Chokonen’s camp, but he met his mother. He did not stay long, but he learnt much news. Dos-teh-seh, his mother, released his son was alived and in good health, gave informations to Naiche. If all his family in Turkey Creek was fine, his immediate family had really been moved to Florida with Kla-esch. Nantan Lupan was no more the commander in Arizona and quitted the area. The new general, named Miles, unthrustfull of the Chiricahuas and White Mountains’ scouts, discharged them. I think Naiche asked her mother what kind of surrender was possible and his mother enable to answer proposed to serve as emissary for Naiche. Naiche said goobye to his mother and came back to his men to tell them what he learnt. Naiche was in an ill humor. The good news were no Chiricahua was still working for the US Army against their band and there were no more Apaches companies to fight them. But the new chief in Arizona was unknown, seemed to not be friend with the peaceful Chiricahuas and Naiche was unaware of the new General’s towards them. The fact Naiche had the confirmation his family was deported, one thousand and six hundred miles east of him, disheartened him deeply. He and his fellows had to wait the blue soldiers’ intentions through Dos-teh-seh. They waited one day, certainly anxiously. Without news, fearing their horses and supplies could be discovered, they returned where they let their horses during the night of 26th of May. They did not know that Naiche’s mother with Etsohn, mother of Yahe-chul, had the authorization to look for the renegades and gave them the peace message of the Blue Soldiers. Early in the next morning, forward of his men, Naiche entered the canyon where they let their supplies and horses. He stopped, watched the scene for a time and continued. But soon after, feeling the ambush, Naiche crouched, shouting a warming cry to alert his men about a danger. A fire was shot, followed by several and US cavalrymen exited their hides. Naiche and his warriors had already scattered and went north in the rough country to force the enemy to abandon their horses or the pursuit. Did Naiche felt betrayed at this time? It is possible. Apparently, the next day he seemed to have met his mother or spoke with her from short distance. His mother told him the soldiers would accept their surrender and would treat them rightly. The two seemed to have bad arguments and quitted eachother with bad feelings.
Naiche, desperated, suspicious of treason maybe from his Chokonens, single and uncertained about the real intentions of the unknown new general, concluded they had to go back in Mexico. The young chief had lost his faith of a possible return in the reservation where they could live like they did before May 1885. Even the offer of Nantan Lupan about an exile of two years in Florida was maybe no more in the table. The only future they could see was not a pleasant one. It would be a survival with running, fighting again and again against two powerful nations. It would not be the way to build again a band. Naiche thought apparently, he lost his family for ever. In his way back to Mexico, he was very disheartened but also ready to begin a new life to survive for him and the fellows he led. For their return as fast as they could, Naiche and his warriors needed new horses. To lure the blue soldiers, instead of going directly south, Naiche went northeast to the Eagle Creek. 30th of May they got what they wanted after slaying two men in Hampton’s ranch. They could move south to reach the Rincon Mountains and the rest of the band. When they arrived there, 2nd of June, all were left certainly felt insecured near Tucson and in Arizona. Atelnietze certainly in command of the group decided without waiting Naiche to join Goyakla in Sierra Azul, Sonora. So, the next day, Naiche and his warriors also went south through the Whetstone Mountains. Along the way, between 3rd of June and 6th of June, they stole stock and forty horses, killing three men. Naiche’s plan was to enter Mexico by the Patagonia Mountains. 6th of June, they were surprised and attacked by soldiers but they saw the soldiers and could escape in Sonora keeping most of the horses they had stolen. 9th of June they joined, after two hundred miles of march since 30th of May, the rest of the band camping near the Azul Peak, in Sonora. Regarding their loot, their expedition without casualty, in a territory full of armed enemies, was a success. But, at this time, there was no festivity to do because most of them were tired and feared an attack at each moment. Naiche, looking for a new life, single but chief, needed and certainly wanted to find a wife. I think, it was at this time he married Ha-o-zinne, daughter of Beshe and U-go-hun.
The renegades concluded that if the blue soldiers were numbered and continued to harass them in USA and in Mexico, the troops had no Chiricahua’s scouts to guid them in Dzil-dotl-izhihi. Naiche decided to divide his band in three parts. They would join altogether just north of Sahuaripa in Dzil-dotl-izhihi. Naiche with his new wife, his new father-in-law Beshe and his wife U-go-hun, Zhonne his new brother-in-law, Hunlonah, nephew of Beshe, Moth-sos,Tsinolthos and his wife, Atelnietze, his two wives, his child and the new warrior Satsitnitsu went southwest in Sierra Cucurpe. Goyakla, his two wives Shta-she and She-gah, his son Naclede with his spouse Nochlon and Kanseah with the captive’s woman went east. Nat-cul-baye and Ischi led the last group, northeast. The brothers Nah-bay and La-zi-yah with their family accompagnied them as the single Kilthdigay, Yanozha, Ahnandia, Yahe-chul and their wives. Biyaneta, spouse of Ischi, Cruz wife of Nat-cul-baye, his son Alchintoyeh and his grandchildren, Garditha and Leo-shanne were with them too. Naiche and his group after reaching the Sierra Cucurpe, continued south through the mountains west of the Rio Sonora. 17th of June, needing certainly supplies and mounts, Naiche led his warriors on a raid at Escondida killing four Mexicans. Apparently contented by what they got, they moved south until the Sierra de Aconchi where they camped and stayed about ten days. They quitted the area moving south and then east, surely crossing the Rio Sonora between Suaqui and La Labor. They were in march to join with the other groups of renegades. The rendez-vous would be in a campsite near the junction of the Rio Yaqui and the Rio Aros.
The weather was hot and rainy like every July in Sonora. 1st of July, Naiche’s group killed a man along their way, near Tepache, pointing out their presence. The man had certainly encountered Naiche’s group by random and the renegades had to kill this witness. About some days later Naiche and his group without casualty since they separated, reached the rendez-vous. Apparently, the group led by Nat-cul-baye and Ischi was already there or arrived soon after, also all safe. It was not the case of Goyakla’s little group. The Shaman’s group joined them about 10th of July. They taught they were attacked, 17th of June, by a Mexican’s force. If Goyakla shot to death three soldiers, his wife Shta-she was killed and scalped and the young captive’s woman escaped. It seemed, that during these days Naiche was not feeling well. There he and his little band felt secure away from the blue soldiers who had not Apache scouts knowing well the Sierra Madre. And the Mexican’s forces were not a real threat. However, 13th of July, a warrior returning to the camp after a hunt, alerted the all camp. He saw Apache’ scouts preparing to attack the camp. Immediately, all the renegades escaped by the upriver, hided by the canebrake. They had just time to take their clothes, their weapons and some foods. This attack demoralized Naiche more.
He understood the blue soldiers would pursue them every where they would be, following every trail the renegades would let. They again needed to replenish their losses, especially mounts. Naiche led his band west to exit the Sierra Madre where he did not like to live since 1883. They went sixty to seventy miles west from the location of the attack. Goyakla surely guided them because the new campsite was only at twenty-five miles southeast of Ures and fourty-miles east of Hermosillo, Sonora State’s capital. The Chiricahuas did not often go so far in Sonora. They camped in the Sierra Mazatan, isolated mountains, surrounded by plains. They waited an occasion to make an ambush. 23rd of July, they ambushed a sixty mules pack train. After slaying five men and letting one man and two women to escape, they charged what they needed on fifteen mules and quitted the scene. Some days later, the warriors launched a raid on a ranch to get horses. They succeeded to get enough mounts for their band and then Naiche led them north to the Rio Sonora valley. Beginning of August, they crossed the mountains and went northeast wanting to reach the Sierra de los Teras which seemed a better protected place. If the blue soldiers lost their trail, Naiche knew their enemies still looked for him and his band.
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Post by coeurrouge on Oct 13, 2022 15:17:17 GMT -5
Hi,
I read that the skin drawing of Naiche in the early twentieth century arrived in a museum in my country (France). Are they always in France?
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Post by coeurrouge on Sept 22, 2022 11:41:22 GMT -5
Hi, for me as I understand it was the gota I identified n°6 led by Yaque in late 1850's. After 1858, survivors of gota n°7 joined them.
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Post by coeurrouge on Sept 6, 2022 6:07:28 GMT -5
yes it make sense BUT Mano Mocha died about 1845 when Geronimo was already a warrior and married. And Geronimo, born about 1823, said that he never met his grandfather Mahko... So it is difficult to say that Mahko and Mano Mocha were the same man.
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Post by coeurrouge on Sept 5, 2022 14:47:59 GMT -5
What could mean "mah" of "Mahko" ? Is not rock definitely, but one possibility is a corruption from Spanish "manco" which means with no hand, either by genetics or by amputation, there were a person on the same times of Mahko that was named as "mano mocha" or "amputated hand" I read I think as I remember in Griffen's book "War and Peace in Janos"that a a man called Brazo Quabrado apparently Bedonkohe was a son of Chafaloté (a Gileño for the spanish). I think Brazo Quabrado and Mano Mocha were the same man. Sure the Apache had a matrineal structure but as I understand son of important man often stayed in their birth gota. It is why I tried some connections not read. Ex: Manags Coloradas began a young chief of his woman's gota about 1813, time of relative peace since two decades. I think only a son or grandson of a very important chief could become a gota''s chief so young at this period when senior man had survived because of the peace. it is hard to explain deductions I made by writting. To people who undertsand spanish, the website apachéria.es had a lot mexican archives which complete or confirm english books.
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Post by coeurrouge on Sept 4, 2022 3:46:00 GMT -5
Hello,
You can send me personnal message in this proboards if you want. As I wrote in the beginning "This my guess, based on books, sharings in this forum, personnal deductions or intuitions." ready to change if I am wrong.
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