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Post by kayitah on Jun 29, 2014 11:22:01 GMT -5
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Post by kayitah on Jun 28, 2014 7:25:42 GMT -5
A few days ago I found by chance this very beautiful film. It's basing on an ancient story of the White Mountain Apache, and told as it was recorded by late White Mountain Apache elder, Billy Kane. This should be especially interesting to White Mountain Apache tribal members (and probably Western Apache in general). Many will see friends and relatives of theirs in this unique film - some as actors and others as singers, dancers, or consultants. The languages spoken Western Apache (with English subtitles) and English, the screenplay IMO is superb, and the score is hauntingly beautiful. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do Link -> Apache Mountain Spirits (1985)
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Post by kayitah on Jun 28, 2014 6:45:24 GMT -5
A friendly 'welcome' from me, pauls First, I'm neither Chiricahua nor Native American, I'm not even a U.S. citizen, so if I'd try a phonetical pronounciation it may be a bit off to people with English as their first language. You'll find all the desired pronounciations in these two very interesting documentaries We Shall Remain - GeronimoChihenne / Chokonen / Bedonkohe - 5.08 Juh - 32.25 Naiche - 32.32 Fort Verde: The Indian ScoutsCibecue - 4.06 Alchesay - 6.28
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Post by kayitah on Jun 9, 2014 18:30:27 GMT -5
Found this amidst my plunder. I have no idea if the author is even still alive, let alone if he has any copies of his excellent little book. It wouldn't hurt to try though, "Craft Manual of North American Indian Footwear" by George M. White, January 1969. Copies WERE available through George M. White, P.O. Box 365 Ronan, MT 59864. (as I said, No Guarantees. Pp. 42-46 Shows pattern and pretty clear How-to instructions. For mine, we used white brain-tanned deerskin for the uppers and high tops and rawhide for the soles and cactus kickers. Hell, I just checked and they're evidently available on Amazon, Allibris, Ebay, Yukon Books etc, not cheap but I've used it over the years for many different tribes' moccasin patterns. I bought the book just recently and got it last Friday. I can make a scan of the relevant pages if you like.
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Post by kayitah on Jun 9, 2014 5:16:33 GMT -5
hmm, the link doesn't work for me. Could it be the one below with Geronimo, Chihuahua, Nana, Loco, and Ulzana at Mount Vernon Barracks, Alabama?
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Post by kayitah on May 26, 2014 17:10:22 GMT -5
Your all complete >deleted<. Seriously, what's wrong with you?!! Don't post here anymore if you're not able to act respectful.
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Post by kayitah on Apr 11, 2014 7:15:50 GMT -5
This man - often identified as Capitan Chiquito - is actually chief Bailish/Bylas. The settlement of Bylas was named after him.
Bylas was chief of tag band CF (Coyotero band F). His band consisted mostly of Eastern White Mountain Apache. They settled on the Gila River, opposite Dewey Flats, later they moved up the river to opposite Navaho Bill Point and from there to today's Bylas. Eventually, government took the tag band chieftainship away from him and gave it to Coon-can.
Capitan Chiquito was a much older man than Bylas, and I know of only three photographs of him - there are many of Bylas, though. I'll dig them up and post them for you.
There was also a Dilzhe'e leader known to whites as Chiquito or Chiquito Jé, he was chief of tag band TG (Tonto band G).
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Post by kayitah on Apr 9, 2014 7:05:14 GMT -5
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Chato
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Post by kayitah on Mar 28, 2014 8:27:24 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing this with us, apacherose Accounts about Chato - his character, his influence, and his motivation for becoming Davis' friend and most-trusted scout - vary a great deal. The only things that all sources seem to agree about are his courage and his skill as a tactician and raider. I've been doing extensive research on this remarkable man. Yes, I think he's remarkable. Daklugie's and Kawaykla's colorful and hate-filled accounts may tell us otherwise but that's more due to their personal opionion than anything else. According to them, Chato was shunned by the other Chiricahuas. Eve Ball may have collected a lot of interesting firsthand information from her Apache informants but - since she relied heavily on Kawaykla, Daklugie and a few others - the picture we get is incomplete, one-sided, blurry, and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Other sources claim that (after the Chiricahua moved to the Mescalero rez) he was respected and well-liked by both his own people and New Mexicans who knew him. Silas Cochise to Edwin Sweeney, July 4, 1997:"In 1997, Silas Cochise, a grandson of Naiche said that his mother, Amelia Naiche, had told him that Chatto and her father were close friends. He said this in response to my questioning the characterization of Chatto by Eve Ball's sources."
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Post by kayitah on Mar 18, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -5
A story in my line of family speaks of my great, great, great grandmother (name unspoken) whom was well known among our people (Chiricahua) as being the only known woman who had "hair almost to the ground." She died in 1876. Over the years I have seen these photographs and wondered? I have seen two different dates - 1872 and 1873, also photo taken in Tombstone and photo taken in Tucson. Photographs by E. Andrews and company. Photo taken by E. Lovejoy and identified many ways......Mescalero woman.......Apache woman.......and Pueblo Indian....Pueblo - NO.....Mescalero - I doubt it.....Apache - YES!!!! CHIRICAHUA APACHE!!!! Look closely and you can see her left foot (Moccasins) and the distinctive "turned up toe" .......Chiricahua!!!! Also, does anyone have these photographs in better quality? or any other information? Mithlo Mithlo, it seems this is the same woman... what do you think?
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Post by kayitah on Mar 5, 2014 16:13:18 GMT -5
Cochise Stronghold is a true gem. It's a wonderful place, I felt so much energy up there.
Some ideas for beautiful spots and interesting things to see:
- Sedona and its redrock country is an absolute must - one of the most beautiful spots I've ever been to. Slide Rock State Park is not far off, google it. It's a unique natural swimming pool which in summer months attracts a lot of people and is often overcrowded. Since March is too cold to go swimming anyway it's probably not high priority. - Fort Bowie National Historic Site near Willcox - Fort Verde State Historic Park; very informative and interesting, lots of info about the Apache scouts. The staff is extraordinary (and I mean extraordinary) nice and helpful. They're never too busy to discuss history or answer questions - Apache National Forest, Pinetop Lakeside and adjacent Fort Apache Rez - Visitor Centre at San Carlos - it's not very big but director Herb Stevens, a Dilzhe'e (Tonto Apache) is such a humble, knowlegeable and colorful person. I only made good contacts at San Carlos anyway. San Carlos Cafe at San Carlos Avenue is a good place to eat. Extremely friendly personnel and good, freshly made food. Apache Gold Casino & Resort is the only hotel I found at San Carlos. Very nice personnel as well, great standard and affordable. I paid like $90 for a two-bed room (incl. breakfast) and amazing panorama view to the Dragoon Mountains. - The Superstition Mountains with its lore about the Lost Dutchman mine - The beautiful Mazatzal Mountains - if you go to Tucson, visit nearby Fort Lowell, which has a very interesting museum.
There's so much more, though
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Post by kayitah on Mar 5, 2014 0:02:01 GMT -5
The movie was shot at Coronado National Forest AZ, Nogales AZ, and Valley of Fire State Park NV. Unfortunately, I do not know the exact locations. You might want to ask a movie buff or maybe Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine, knows A LOT about the southwest. He's the first one that comes to mind, he has a vast, impressive knowledge of the west, its history, and its landscape. Of course you can also contact Coronado National Historic State Park and see whether they have something in their archives. I'm sorry I can't help you any further. Would be interesting to know the name and location of the canyon, though, and I'd appreciate if you let me know if you find more information. I keep googling and contact if you find more information. For now I wish you good luck and a great time in the Red Rock State!
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Post by kayitah on Mar 3, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
The Apache with the painted face does however have Chiricahua boots (moccasins) with the typical flip point. The paint by our Chiricahuas however was usually a white stripe across the face over the bridge of the nose. I suspect this is an adaptation from some other Indian scouts of the US army who were also in the company of the Chiricahuas -- although few. Tarahumaras (raramuri) for example were used by the Mexican army against the Chiricahua as in the kiling of Victorio who incidentally is said to have been a mestizo from Coahila, Mexico kidnapped in a raid as a young boy according to the Mexican records where it all began. -- Juhl -- Very interesting, thanks a lot for this valuable information, Juhl.
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Post by kayitah on Mar 3, 2014 15:44:34 GMT -5
Hi Larry, give me a few days and I'll see what I can find out. Please send me a PM so we can discuss this in detail. Best wishes, Marco
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Post by kayitah on Mar 3, 2014 15:09:25 GMT -5
Charlotte Losanne and Nohchlon, wife of Chappo, Sept. 1886 at Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio TX. Photograph by F. Hardesty
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