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Post by cinemo on Aug 29, 2012 14:24:29 GMT -5
"shatonska" ,
Little Robe was at Washita ( November 1868 ) but his encampment was just downstream from Black Kettle`s camp.
See > The Peace Chiefs of the Cheyennes < by Stan Hoig, page 145
Greetings - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Aug 26, 2012 14:54:08 GMT -5
Chauncey Yellow Robe was sent to Carlisle in November 1883, about 15 years old ( Age ) He learned to speak English there and was chosen to represent the North American Indians at the Congress of Nations at the opening of the World’s Columbian Exposition in Chicago. He graduated with honors in 1895 .
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Post by cinemo on Aug 26, 2012 6:16:02 GMT -5
Hi wind,
as far as I know, the Lakota word for "Shirt - Wearer" was > Ogle Tanka Un <
Greetings from Germany - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Aug 24, 2012 15:03:19 GMT -5
In the most scources has been reported, the John Ward - Ranch raid occurred in the late January 1861. I think, this is a great mistake. Probably, the raid occured in late October or December 1860. I found this in various ( online ) scources and in a german Mickey Free biography by an german autor. One day in October, 1860, Apache Indians raided the ranch of John Ward on Sonoita Creek, plundered his house, took his son Mickey Free, and ran off all of his stock. John Ward was absent at the time of the raid. Upon his return, Ward immediately rode to Fort Buchanan, twelve miles to the northeast, at the head of the Sonoita Valley, and reported the raid to the Commanding Officer, Lieut. Col. Pitcain Morrison. Nothing was done at this time, the reasons to this day are unknown, but a guess would be due to the lack of troops present for duty. No reason was ever given and the pursuit of the raiders was not undertaken until January 29, 1861, three months later. www.militaryhistoryonline.com/civilwar/southwest/bascom.aspxIn the second Link, please see page 23 www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/fobo/utley.pdfGreetings from Germany - cinemo
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Cochise
Aug 6, 2012 14:08:49 GMT -5
Post by cinemo on Aug 6, 2012 14:08:49 GMT -5
Hi couerrouge,
there is a mistake with regard to Cochise`s wives and children. The first wife of Cochise was Dos-teh-seh, daughter of Mangas Coloradas. Dos-teh-seh was the mother of Taza and Naiche.
The name of the second wife of Cochise, a Chiricahua woman, is not safe. Maybe it was Yones, but probably it was Nahlekadeya . With his second wife Cochise had two daughters, Dash-dan-zhoos and Naithlotonz. Why Nahlekadeya ? The two daughters were born before Yones husband was killed.
Christian Naiche and other descendants of Cochise have stated, Cochise had no other sons than Taza and Naiche.
Greetings from germany - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jul 29, 2012 16:01:46 GMT -5
Hi jeroen and gregor, I think, Naiche died in 1921. This was stated by Benedict Jozhe, formerly chairman of the Fort Sill Apache Tribal Council Please see ( online ) A Brief History Of The Fort Sill Apache Tribe, by Benedict Jozhe digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v039/v039p427.pdfGreetings - cinemo
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Cochise
Jul 22, 2012 14:55:46 GMT -5
Post by cinemo on Jul 22, 2012 14:55:46 GMT -5
Hi gregor,
thanks for posting of this image and information. Yes, this painting was meant.
Greetings - cinemo
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Cochise
Jul 22, 2012 4:33:33 GMT -5
Post by cinemo on Jul 22, 2012 4:33:33 GMT -5
Hi jeroen,
before I read your posting, I thought that the above photograph shows Cochise. A mistake on my part and probably for many other people.
Probably, Cochise was never photographed, no photograph of Cochise has ever been found. There is a painting of Cochise by W. S. Sutter or Sutton, titled > Cochise 1872 < It is rumored that Sutter discovered either a photograph or a sketch of Cochise. The original of this photograph or sketch was never found. The painting of Sutter or Sutton was discovered by Charles V. Parker in 1997.
It is said Cochise`s youngest son Naiche, to have looked like his father ( photographed 1884 )
There is a little confusion with the origin name of Cochise, how is this name originated ?
Greetings from Germany - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jul 12, 2012 14:57:40 GMT -5
Welcome in this forum 1perrymanchild ( Marian )
there are good information in a book by Kevin Mulroy :
Freedom On The Border: The Seminole Maroons in Florida, the Indian Territory, Coahuila, and Texas ( 2003 )
greetings from Germany - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jul 6, 2012 13:52:14 GMT -5
Hi chicheman,
thank you for the additional notes !
greetings - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jul 5, 2012 14:38:12 GMT -5
The last photograph above > Trailing The Enemy and daughter of Satanta < is shown in the book >Forty years with the Cheyennes< by G.E. Hyde ( I have a german copy of this book ) In this book, the daughter of Sitinte is named as Alma and as a wife of Trailing The Enemy.
Probably, this woman ( Alma ) is Akeen
Trailing The Enemy was married with two daughters of Sitinte. The wives were : > Akeen < and > Ahtohnah <
There are another photograph, on this image we can see Trailing The enemy with his second wife ( probably Ahtohnah )
Trailing The Enemy was known by various names as follow :
Eonah - Pah Tomeathto ( various spellings ) Unap
Another name is mentioned in a book by W.C. Meadows > Kiowa Ethnogeography < I can not write this name, please see page 259
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Post by cinemo on Jul 2, 2012 15:39:03 GMT -5
I have found a small info about Mark Auchiah ( Looks in a Ute Lodge ) His Indian name was Se't-ki'nte
I wonder about the origin of his translated English name : Looks in a Ute Lodge How is this name originated ? ( origin story ) ( The Ute tribe is known to me )
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Post by cinemo on Jul 1, 2012 12:59:00 GMT -5
A german edition of this book - this would be a blessing. Regrettable, that the project was not realized.
Meanwhile I was reading in this book on pages 399 - 428 and various other pages - very informative. I have found too information about the name change. Tosawa changed his name to White Dove, either in 1869 or earlier ( if before 1869, the reason was the killing of a Comanche named Tosawecut )
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Post by cinemo on Jun 30, 2012 4:13:17 GMT -5
tkavanagh,
Thanks a lot for that advice. I had read the above text, but was a little confused. Now I begin to understand.
I have the book > The Comanches - A History 1706 - 1875 < by T. Kavanagh
In this book I will reading about Tosawa and this topic.
greetings from Germany - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jun 29, 2012 13:18:19 GMT -5
The correct date ( year ) of Tosawa`s surrender at Fort Cobb
I am a little confused about the year of Tosawa`s surrender at Fort Cobb. Above is written twice, the surrender year was 1867. Many years ago, I read in >Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee< by Dee Brown, Tosawa came to the Fort Cobb to surrender after the Washita battle ( 27. November 1868 ) . Probably, Tosawa came to Fort Cobb in very late December 1868
If my guess is correct ( 1868 ) , there is another question.
On December 25 in 1868, a comanche village was attacked by troops ( Third Cavalry ) at Soldiers Spring, more then twenty warriors were killed. Was this battle an additional reason for Tosawa`s surrender ?
Please excuse my bad English, all text by translation program
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