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Post by cinemo on Jun 25, 2012 13:54:26 GMT -5
Thanks a lot Mr. Kavanagh ,
for this extraordinary and remarkable explanation with regard to Sitinty`s children and wives
greetings from Germany - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jun 24, 2012 11:25:28 GMT -5
Wolf Voice was a Gros Ventre but married to a Cheyenne woman. He served a few years as an scout with the Cheyenne scouts at Fort Keogh. In 1879, he was a scout for Lieutennant W.P.Clark. Wolf Voice found the camp of Little Wolf about on March 25, near Box Elder Creek. When Wolf Voice was in Little Wolf`s camp, he called out: I am Cheyenne !
There is a humorous story about Wolf Voice, when er got his first wagon und harness ( The year of this event is not known to me )
Wolf Voice harnessed and hitched his horses to the wagon and set out for a drive. He saw ahead of him a broad ditch. He had been accustomed to making his horse jump across such ditches, so when he approached this one he whipped his team into a run. After he got out of the smashup he decided he did not like to ride in a wagon.
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Post by cinemo on Jun 23, 2012 15:00:33 GMT -5
Satanta`s children
In Anardako, Oklahoma , is located a statue of Satanta ( ( Set-t’ainte ) . The statue was made by sculptor Sherman Chaddlesone. On the plaque are listed the children of Satanta as follows :
Tsa-l-au-te (Gray Goose) Odle-paw (Buffalo Bird) Auchiah (Looks-in-a-Ute-Lodge) Ay-Keen (Dash-at-the-Enemy) Sah-tope-ay-doh (Pipe Holder) Ah-toh-nah (Charging the Enemy) Sah-geh-ah-hodle (Skirmish on the East Side) Pai-ah-tay (Same Land Mark)
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Post by cinemo on Jun 14, 2012 13:15:54 GMT -5
White Bull or Ice is known as a Northern Cheyenne, but formerly he had lived in the South.
In > Cheyenne Memories < by John Stands In Timber is mentioned, White Bull was a Suhtai
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Post by cinemo on Jun 13, 2012 14:40:29 GMT -5
Hi charlie ,
who was the father of Ice ( White Bull ) , a point at issue . Grinnell had stated, that Black Moccasin was White Bull`s father , but maybe was North Left Hand the father of White Bull
Source : Sweet Medicine , by Peter J. Powell / see page 127
As far as I know, White Bull was a medicine man, not a chief
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Post by cinemo on Jun 13, 2012 13:56:48 GMT -5
Here is another book about Satanta : Satanta and the Kiowas, by F. Stanley - published in 1968 Publisher : Jim Hess Printers / 391 pages
Presumably, this book exists only antiquarian, but I am not sure. Maybe you can find that book in a library
I wish you a safe trip to Oklahoma and good luck for your research. Have a good time.
greetings - cinemo
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Post by cinemo on Jun 12, 2012 15:20:06 GMT -5
Hi suebaby,
do you know the book : Bad Medicine and Good : Tales of the Kiowas, by Wilbur Sturtevant Nye, first edition was in 1962, reprinted in 1997
In this book is mentioned Satanta and Tsa`l-au-te on various pages. Maybe you can find in this book a few more details about Satanta and his son.
This is only a hint, I own that book not ( Index of the book online read )
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Post by cinemo on Jun 1, 2012 14:39:04 GMT -5
The >Camp Weld Photograph<
We can see : White Antelope ( seated far left ) Black Kettle ( seated at center ) No-Ta-Nee or Knock Knees (seated far right)
The man, seated second from right, is Bull Bear. Bull Bear ( participant at the Camp Weld Conference ) was born about in 1835 . In 1864, Bull Bear was about thirty years old. In this photograph , the man, seated second from right ( Bull Bear ), looks how thirty years old. In the Camp Weld Conference, Bull Bear had twice said : I am young In the book : The Sand Creek Massacre - A Documentary History ( Edition 1973 by Sol Lewis ) is a half portrait from Bull Bear, a segment from the Camp Weld photograph. To this enlarged photograph we can see an important detail. Probably, Bull Bear had squinted with the left eye slightly. Unfortunately, the photograph in the ( Sol Lewis ) book is titled with Black Kettle - a mistake.
Back to the Camp Weld photograph. The man ( seated second from left ) in my opinion is Chief Neva. He looks older than thirty years old.
Please see: The Sand Creek Massacre- A Documentary History ( Edition 1973 by Sol Lewis ) page 238 / 239 half portrait Bull Bear page 407 Bull Bear`s conversation at the Camp Weld conference
Encyclopedia of Frontier Biography: A-F by Dan L. Thrapp page 188 ( Bull Bear )
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Post by cinemo on May 22, 2012 15:33:33 GMT -5
Hi "miller 7513"
Thanks for this, that is right. On September 14, 1891, US - president Harrison ordered the transfer of the 281 Pine Ridge Cheyennes to the Tongue River Indian Reservation. On October 3, 1891, Special Agent Cooper informed Commissioner Morgan ( commissioner of Indian affairs ) that the Pine Ridge Cheyennes had arrived at the agency. This reunification ended nearly fifteen years of separation for the Northern Cheyennes.
Source: The Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation, 1877 - 1900, by Orlan J. Svingen
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Post by cinemo on May 18, 2012 13:24:06 GMT -5
Hi miller7513
the three captured men were Lean Face, Fat Bear and Curly Hair. Lean Face is also called Slim Face or Dull Knife by army officers. Curly Hair is also known as Big Head. All three men were captured by Custer on the Sweetwater River in Texas Panhandle,in 1869. This photograph was likely taken by W. S. Soule at Camp Supply in 1869. Grinnell had stated, this photograph was taken in Fort Dodge, Kansas, this was a mistake for that photograph.
Sources:
The Peace Chiefs Of The Cheyennes, Stan Hoig, Sweet Medicine, Peter J. Powell The Life of George Bent, G. E. Hyde ( I have a german version of that book )
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Post by cinemo on May 16, 2012 14:31:17 GMT -5
Iron Teeth`s mother was a Sioux ( means Lakota ) woman. That is mentioned in her interview, given to Dr. Marquis.
I was thinking : When Iron Teeth`s mother was a Lakota woman, I must try to find out, if Iron Teeth had Lakota relatives or descendants. I did so. In that way, I found a book by Walter Littlemoon, a Lakota author.Walter Littlemoon, born in 1942, was raised in Wounded Knee on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. His father was a full blood Lakota, and his mother, a Northern Cheyenne.
Title: They Called Me Uncivilized: The Memoir of an Everyday Lakota Man from Wounded Knee published 2009
This book contains more information ( chapter One and Chapter Two ) about Iron Teeth`s children and descendants. I also found the Indian name by Red Pipe.
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Post by cinemo on May 12, 2012 14:10:26 GMT -5
Hi, Dietmar,
Thanks for this image, I have not seen before.
In early autumn in 1876, the Manypenny Commission had brought a simple message to the various Lakota - agencies - sell ( the Black Hills ) or starve.
After Standing Elk had heard the words of the commission, he said to the commissioners :
"Your words are like a man knocking me in the head with a stick. What you have spoken has put great fear upon us. Whatever we do, wherever we go, we are expected to say `Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! and, when we don`t agree at once to what you ask of us in council, you always say, `You won`t get anything to eat ! You won`t get anything to eat`"
I think, the words by Standing Elk were consistent with the thoughts of many other chiefs
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Post by cinemo on May 10, 2012 14:16:18 GMT -5
I agree with that above, but a little detail is wrong. In my opinion, Ely S. Parker became a chief in September 1851 , not in 1852. At this time he was formally entrusted with keeping the silver medal given to Red Jacket by George Washington in 1792
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Post by cinemo on May 8, 2012 15:31:09 GMT -5
This is a very bad message to me, today
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Post by cinemo on May 6, 2012 14:15:35 GMT -5
Hi "gregor"
Thanks for this helpful hint. I know this magazine, but do not own a subscription
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