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Post by chicheman on May 7, 2019 17:32:56 GMT -5
Hello stellar1138, I´m glad you liked the film, I too found it very interesting and yes, it is a very sad story as well. To see all of your fellow tribal members and relatives dying, your way of life fading more and more away, must have been very hard for him. Living a lonely live as the only surviver. Much respect to Ishi, he was an exeptional human in my eyes and shared many things with those who are able to listen. Thanks for your interest.
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Post by chicheman on May 7, 2019 5:56:30 GMT -5
Thanks Californian, this is an interesting account, some details I wasn´t reading yet elsewhere. I always wondered what became of Gray Lizard, and here at least we learn that he went to live with some other Apaches. Massai tried to live away from the white people, but he met a tragic end, sad that he got killed. But his name is still known as the last Apache fighter, still remembered and honored as a brave man who lived the Apache way. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by chicheman on Apr 22, 2019 17:28:49 GMT -5
Documentary about the Northern Arapaho of Wyoming, Wind River Reservation :
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Post by chicheman on Apr 22, 2019 16:56:53 GMT -5
A Point in time clip : Interviews with and stories by Washoe, Northern Paiute, Southern Paiute, Western Shoshone
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Post by chicheman on Apr 22, 2019 16:48:41 GMT -5
Ute history documentary :
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Post by chicheman on Apr 22, 2019 16:46:09 GMT -5
Some history and interviews with today´s Shoshone people :
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Post by chicheman on Mar 19, 2019 13:35:15 GMT -5
Yes, that would be of great value, dt. He was one of the few white eyes who kept his word towards Apaches and was a friend to them, so he would have handed down authentic information sure I think.
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Post by chicheman on Mar 17, 2019 15:22:52 GMT -5
Thank you natethegreat, for some details and that´s what I think as well, story made up and just may be meant symbolic by that author. Interesting to learn some things of the Nez Perce war in connection about the relationship of two warriors acting like brothers. Best chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Mar 17, 2019 9:29:10 GMT -5
Thanks ouroboros for your reply and informations. That goes in the same direction, that this blood brother thing is fiction. With Asa Daklugie we have a most trustful source anyway, he lived the old life when he was young and so many elders around him were still alive, a thing like blood brother would not have gone unnoticed, if it had ever existed, by him or other´s his age. Thanks and best chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Mar 17, 2019 6:04:50 GMT -5
Hello,
somebody made me aware of the grave markers or memorial markers of both Cochise and Tom Jeffords (I guess nobody knows where Cochise exactly is buried). Both men are said to have become close friends.
But there is a statement that sounds questionable, and that is the inscription on the markers that says they were "Blood Brothers". As is also stated in that book "Blood Brothers" by Elliot Arnold (and I guess it was the book used for the famous film Broken Arrow).
The question is: was there ever a Blood Brother rite among the Nde ? I think I never heard of such a thing among any tribe in North America. This is said to have been something that was practiced by some ancient Germanic tribe or tribes, probably more than 1500 years ago.
Anyway, I found a statement by Asa Daklugie in Eve Ball´s "Indeh -An Apache Odyssey" :
"I have read this book (Blood Brother). You say that a novel need not tell the truth. That I understand, but the writer did know a good bit about my people. Why, then did he invent a blood brother rite ? He must have invented it, for in all my life I never heard of such a ceremony."
Any comments are most appreciated.
Thanks and greetings from Germany.
chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Mar 17, 2019 5:50:38 GMT -5
Hello Louis, welcome, I´m exited and looking forward for your book being released as this is of great interest to me as well. Best, chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Feb 23, 2019 4:17:59 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, great !
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Post by chicheman on Feb 20, 2019 4:53:31 GMT -5
Hello, I guess everybody saw this movie with Paul Newman as the main character, John Russel, raised by Apaches since childhood. Newman played his character very well and also all others did good jobs. Looks to me as being one Western who was in favor for the Native American, here the Apaches, and showing the weakness of the white characters and society of the time, for example that corrupt agent who was about to steal the money intended to go to the Apaches. I personally found this film as one of the good Westerns ever shown (though I didn´t agree to the final end, when Russel got killed, lol). How was that film received by other members here, also what do our Nde friends here think about it ? Just thought would be interesting to read some comments about that here. Thanks Some info about the film "Hombre" (German title was "Man nannte ihn Hombre / They called him Hombre") www.imdb.com/title/tt0061770/chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Feb 19, 2019 8:07:52 GMT -5
Hi Californian, I can´t see the scans of the inner flap of the dust jacket though. I recall having seen "Apache", I guess in Germany it has the title "Massai, the last Apache" or so, saw it at least three or four times in my life and it was not such badly done I found. Though of course, knowing more today when I grew older, there are a number of errors in it. What came to my mind only recently thinking about that film was, that Massai brought back with him a pouch with corn (maize) seeds, the corn of Talequah of the Cherokees, when he met this old Cherokee man and his wife who cared for him when he was sick in that film. That scene did suggest as the Apache had never known about corn (maize), which of course is absolut nonsense, Apache had known corn of course for centuries, from neighbouring Pueblo tribes they traded with, but also did a little farming themselves, some groups at least. Well, the film itself was interesting and not too bad for the time I guess. Best
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Post by chicheman on Feb 3, 2019 4:16:47 GMT -5
Hello,
I would like to ask about the cactus kickers,as I think this is called, at Apache Moccasins. I noticed that these were usually seen at Chiricahua, Warms Springs and White Mountain Moccasins. But I noticed that on some old photos it looks like this was not always the case, with some Western Apache people, so I´m not sure cactus kickers were part of all Mocs in general ? On the famous photo of Geronimo, that shows him kneeling and holding a rifle in his hand,it appeared to me as well, as there would not be a cactus kicker to be seen. Maybe it is just not well to be seen on that old photo. Navajo seem not to have used cactus kickers and of course we know that Mescalero, Jicarilla and Lipan wore the ankle high moccasins without kickers, more looking like Plains Mocs, other than Nde like Chiricahua and Western groups who wore knee length Mocs. Thanks for your comments in advance, this was something that I noticed several times and I thought to ask our experts here. Best from Germany
chicheman
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