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Post by chicheman on Aug 29, 2023 9:51:08 GMT -5
Hello coeurrouge, there´s an English article to find on the Apache scouts at that page, click that link that tosque sent. it may be of interest to you. Greetings from Germany
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Post by chicheman on Apr 16, 2023 7:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by chicheman on Apr 16, 2023 7:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by chicheman on Apr 16, 2023 6:54:00 GMT -5
Hello,
I was talking with a close Kiowa friend of mine and he told me that relations between the two tribes are going on still today. Each year they meet for hand games and there is also some intermarriage still occasionally. Sure also meeting at powwows at times, like Crow Fair etc. So that is going on still. chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Apr 6, 2023 12:09:28 GMT -5
Hello CC,
being in contact with Kiowa and having studied some Kiowa history thru reading, there is indeed stories remembered. Kiowas received their sacred Taime Sundance medicine from the Crow. In a fight around 1820, just out of memory that I have in mind, some visiting Kiowas among the Crows helped the Crows fighting a force of Lakota and Cheyenne. Could be that I was reading that in Grinnell´s The Fighting Cheyennes. Then there was chief Kicking Bird who was part Crow. Might find interesting to read Mildred P. Mayhall, The Kiowas; James Mooney Kiowa Calendar History; Candace S. Greene One Hundred Summers - A Kiowa Calendar Record, Maurice Boyd Kiowa Voices 1 + 2 . Interesting to learn of that small Crow band moving south and joining Kiowas, wasn´t aware of that band, though think to remember about Crow mentioned somewhere having been found among Kiowas, and also among Comanches I recall one note(Francis Joseph Attocknie, Thomas Kavanagh, The Life of Ten Bears). Thanks for your share.
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Post by chicheman on Mar 5, 2023 7:09:17 GMT -5
Hello Second, thank you very much for keeping us updated here, that´s most interesting what I could read already about what to find in the new book. Is it available by now or still to be published ? There´s a new book out here (2022)in Germany also about the Seminole People, a history, and it is well researched from what I can judge. By accident the author´s first name is also Siegfried, Siegfried Jahn and I have some contact to him. Your book sure will be much more in detail and offers us long lost stories that come to light thanks yours efforts. I´m looking forward on your book, keep us posted please. Thank you and best over the pond. Chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Jun 14, 2022 12:41:33 GMT -5
Thank you Lechelasharo for sharing this with us. So sorry that your precious grandfather´s rest in death was interrupted by that man´s shameful act. Good thoughts from Germany.
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Post by chicheman on Mar 19, 2022 11:33:03 GMT -5
Tahansi, thanks for that interesting article. That respected elderly woman sure had a lot to tell. I bet some of her life expierence have been handed down by the family and tribe and maybe are even recorded. What a treasure to learn of the old life by such elders who lived the old ways. Pida Maya. chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Mar 17, 2022 7:32:53 GMT -5
Thanks grahamew again for details. I also thought the Modoc (and Klamath) might have been influenced by Oregon / Plateau tribes and it is said they have been taking part in trade gatherings like at The Dalles and brought with them ideas and items that influenced them. Plains influneces in buckskn clothing, shields, braid otter fur wrappings, of course horses and guns are mentioned in an article "Klamath-Modoc culture change, by B.K. Swartz jr. that I once found online but seems not to be availabe online this time. I have in paper form though. Hints to find here also: www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/30064951/a-cultural-resources-overview-southern-oregon-digital-archives- (pages 60 and 71) www.academia.edu/38696821/The_Cultural_Landscape_of_the_Klamath_Modoc_and_Yahooskin_Peoples_Spirit_Nature_History (you may to have sign in though to be able to read) Anyway it seems that not much of traditional style clothing,or Plains/Plateau influenced style was found among both Modoc and Klamath when photography was at hand in their tribal lands, maybe this more traditional clothing was lost rapidly mostly after 1860 and certainly was the case after the Modoc war of 1873. Seemingly not really much had been photographed of this subject, unless some photos may show up in the futures still that can teach us more. Regarding Hollow Tooth, - did you find out he was living in Illinois, if I understood that right ? Would be interesting then to learn how he came to live in Illinois while the rest of the tribe ended up in Oklahoma, may be an interesing story for sure. Thanks and greetings chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Mar 15, 2022 14:30:23 GMT -5
Hello grahemew, I wasn´t checking on this old Modoc board for quite a while and was surprised to find this photo posted by you, thanks for sharing. Totally unknown to me and gives us a slight glimpse of Modoc traditionalism, about head gear (maybe only worn by a medicine person), his hair is not that short cut as we saw on a number of men of several photos known of the Modoc war, and it looks like we can see on that photo also a traditional Modoc bow. Quite fancy trousers if I may mention, of course no way old style Modoc. I never knew or learned yet about Kintpuash´s father or mother, so that is interesting to see the possible father of him. Is there any note when this photo was done, some date ? Since it was done in Kansas it must have been in November 1873 where the exiled Modocs arrived on their train trip toward Indian Territory, their final destination. (Modoc, The tribe that wouldn´t die, Cheewa James, 2008). chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Nov 21, 2021 15:08:26 GMT -5
Webpage of the Modoc Nation of Oklahoma Interesting intro video to find on that webpage about history and today´s life of the Modoc of OK. modocnation.com/
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Post by chicheman on Nov 18, 2021 7:15:43 GMT -5
Hi Garret, and welcome. I too share some interest in the Ute people and also was visiting Uintah and Ouray Reservation a few years ago. I guess you will get best information by getting in touch with some Ute people, Ute tribal office, museum or culture office for your questions. I can´t say for sure, but think that each year, in the old times, several locations and Bear dances were in use, I guess. The bands were scattered over a vast area. About captives, some sure were adopted as was usual among many tribes, but it is also known that some Utes organized slave raids to capture children and women and trade them to Spanish and Mexican traders who sold them on to Mexico as workers. Ourays son is said to havig become a Arapaho and was deciding to stay with his Arapaho family as he was treated well by the Arapahos. That´s what i could learn about this, though it can be that even Ouray wasn´t 100 percent sure if he found his own son among the Arapahos, as a number of years passed on until the supposed father and son met. You may want check on some of the books I do recommend : 1. As if the Land owns us, A Ethnohistory of the White Mesa utes by Robert S. McPherson 2. Utes: The Mountain Utes by Jan Pettit 3. The Utes must go ! by Peter Decker 4. Being and becoming Ute by Sondra G. Jones
Maybe this helps with some of your questions. Utes are interesting people well worth to study.
Greetings from Germany
chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Nov 5, 2021 6:42:36 GMT -5
Thank you Mitchell, wopida for sharing all those informations ! Right now I´m reading "Inkpaduta:Dakota Leader" by Paul N. Beck, I think I really recommend this book, the author is showing good balance of describing the Dakota leader. He is giving Inkpaduta credit by telling those accounts who describe him as a good man, loving and caring for his family and Dakota people and most of his life he went along well with many white people as well. Injustice by white people caused to get him on the warpath as he and his people had to struggle to survive after being treated badly, even having their guns confiscated in the midst of winter. Good biography in my eyes, telling the story of Inkpaduta in a realistic light, and showing that he was a human being, not a bad one at all, but acting with violence when pressed so to do. Like every human being having good and less good sides, but mostly being of good character.
chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Oct 5, 2021 11:22:25 GMT -5
Welcome, glad to meet a Kiowa tribal member here. I´m a member of the forum, from Germany, and friends with a precious Kiowa family also descendants of Set´tainte, and Guipago. Thanks for sharing with us. Best, chicheman
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Post by chicheman on Aug 19, 2021 6:01:11 GMT -5
Hello Mitchell,
that is a very interesting subject. I did come along some article I guess, years ago and can´t remember, that did suggest that several bands of known groups today do have their origins way back in time among the Mdewakantonwan. Also I guess Kingsley here in the forum did find out about that and shared some info with us here, though I wasn´t able to locate right now. Looking forward to learn more if possible. Pida Maya, Toksa from Germany
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