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Post by dT on Feb 12, 2017 6:09:18 GMT -5
Jasper ... thank you for your information here. Greetings, my friend. It is possible that the skull of Mangum does still exist, but it was moved to a different location. Maybe it is not at the Smithsononian. It is very possible that the skull is with a collection of old forensic items somewhere in Washington DC.
I honestly do not know why the US Government does not make more efforts to find the bones (remains) of US Indians and return them to the families. It doesn't seem so hard to do this.
The horrible assassination of Mangus, and the dreadful treatment of his body, is a great dishonor on all the people who were responsible.
But if the skull of Mangus can be found and returned, then perhaps the Nde people can perform a ceremony to restore peace about this incident.
dT
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Post by dT on Jul 26, 2016 11:39:45 GMT -5
Cinemo ... that information was very helpful. I hope to speak to the Guarani-Kiowa in Mato Grosso Sul later this year.
i thought it was unusual that two tribes can have the same name. i suppose this is a coicidence ... an accident of the languages and cultures.
The Indians in Brazil have special tribal lands. But the Courts and the Governments are not respecting the Indians.
Previously, a court ruled that the land belonged to the Indians. then this court reversed its decision, and gave the land to a large agricultural company. large conglomerates and mining interests are a real threat to the Indians. the Guarani-Kiowa have reacted with pride and resistance ... justifiably so. But the final outcome is very uncertain.
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Post by dT on Jul 24, 2016 12:05:30 GMT -5
I am posting this here. Perhaps the information will be helpful. And i am inviting all Indians to say prayers.
There is a tribe in Brazil who call themselves the Guarani-Kiowa. I do not know if they have any relationship to the Kiowa, or the Apache-Kiowa of North America. Probably they are an independent tribe, not related.
You should know these things about the Guarani-Kiowa. They are a proud people. And their land is being stolen by local governments in Brazil, in the state of Mato Grosso Sul. The laws are supposed to protect Indian land. But the justice system is crooked and corrupted. Recently a local court ruled that the Guarani-Kiowa must surrender 90% of their land to a farming company. It was a bad ruling by the court system, corrupt. The Kiowa there have refused to obey, and they have pledged to stand firm and fight for their land, even if they all die. These things are happening now, July 2016. But you do not hear about it, because the news is suppressed in South America.
I suggest that you pray. Across South America the story is the same. The remaining tribes are facing extermination. This is the reality on the ground.
blessings, dT
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Post by dT on Mar 28, 2016 20:24:08 GMT -5
Jasper4 ... greetings. I agree completely with what you said. i have also been to San Carlos. i do not mean any disrespect to the Nde people who live there, or to their reservation. But i agree ... it is a dismal place. And it is no HOME for Apaches, who were a people of the mountains. It is disgraceful that the US Government forced the Apache people to live on that piece of land. It was a very cruel punishment to put the Rez there.
Angela ... i understand what you say. Yes, the Earth has been through cycles in the past. But this time things are different. We now have more than 7,000 million people living on this planet. By the year 2060 we will have 9 billion people. The only way this can be accomplished is if EVERYONE changes their lifestyle completely, so that living habits are fully sustainable and people cooperate in peace. Unfortunately, this is NOT happening. Wars and conflicts are growing. We share the Earth with 7 billion people who are driven by greed, lies, and war. There is only one outcome for a planet that follows an unsustainable path .... a path of destruction. Therefore, I agree with Jasper4. This world is headed for a disaster, in this century. This is a good time for you to pray and prepare.
Blessings, dT
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Post by dT on Mar 16, 2016 17:45:20 GMT -5
Apache Nation ... NDE PEOPLE
CONGRATULATIONS!!! CONGRATULATIONS!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!
this is a BIG Victory!!
Thanks to Pres. Obama for this important political action.
Jasper4 ... thank you for posting this news article.
dT
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Geronimo
Mar 16, 2016 17:38:04 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by dT on Mar 16, 2016 17:38:04 GMT -5
Jasper4 ... thank you for your thoughts. You are right. The final escape by Geronimo caused all the Chiricahua to become POW's. This was a bitter ending to the wars.
I thought for a long time about why Goyahkla kept leaving the reservation. Maybe he was the type of person who could not be happy in confinement ... the Reservation was a prison for him. Maybe he had fears that other people would kill him on the Reservation. Or maybe there were special ceremonies that he needed to do at the Sacred Places. We will never know the truth. But thanks for your reply.
Angela: I suggest that you read the book "I fought with Geronimo" by Jason Betzinez. Mr. Betzinez was a Warm Springs Apache, and therefore this influences his thoughts. But the book is authentic. Best wishes for your research. People here are not offended by honest questions.
dT
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Post by dT on Mar 9, 2016 16:30:29 GMT -5
Angela - this is just a suggestion. I am not an Apache. But there are members of the Apache tribe, and the Chiricahua sub-tribe, who come here regularly. Geronimo was originally Bedonkohe.
I suggest that you do not jump to conclusions about the Apache name for Geronimo. Many Apaches on this forum have always referred to Geronimo as "Goyahkla". Sometimes the name "Goyaale" is encountered. But either way, it is always described as "the one who yawns". I don't think that the name Goyahkla is an insult in the tradition of the Chiricahuas ... they don't see it that way.
I am sure that if you are patient - someone will respond to you.
best wishes, dT
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Post by dT on Feb 2, 2016 8:05:10 GMT -5
i listened to a young Apache woman describe her own experience. she returned to the Sacred Land as a ritual. She drank water from a stream with her lips. She did not put the water into a container, or a plastic vessel. Because this would destroy the purity of the water ... from a spiritual point of view. Therefore, only her lips were allowed to touch the water when she drank.
This viewpoint about the importance of a sacred Earth, and the purity of human existence with nature, is completely missing from the Dominant Civilization.
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Post by dT on Jan 3, 2016 21:05:28 GMT -5
Jerry Egan - I have some idea who you might be. And if I am right - you have traveled very extensively across the Apache lands. I know this, and that's why I asked you to post photos. By no means did I intend to insult your integrity. I wish you well, and I hope that you have an excellent trip!
RedPaint - I have completed my personal ceremonies. I performed several trips to the sacred areas of Arizona for prayer and meditation. Soon I will be departing this country. I will miss seeing the Apache areas, but I must move forward. I will be doing my own part to help indigenous people ... but in other places.
It has been a pleasure talking to people on this forum.
dT
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Post by dT on Jan 1, 2016 23:03:14 GMT -5
grahamnew - excellent work. thanks for sharing. you are better at reading these Winter Counts than me. Maybe it helps to have a really clear picture.
definitely red was symbolic of war, and maybe honorable death. I am very surprised that traditional Lakotas have not answered this thread. I'll bet you that there are Lakotas who know a lot about this tradition. But probably they are not speaking here. Maybe they would tell you in private. Best Wishes.
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Post by dT on Jan 1, 2016 22:53:35 GMT -5
Good luck with your trip. please post some photos if you can - the landscape is huge and I don't think that it's possible for one man to see it all.
you probably already know this - please respect old Apache relics. If I see something old ... I cover it up and leave it. I say a prayer. All this land belonged to great warriors. Jasper4 said the right words in another thread ... the Nde warriors soared like eagles. All the land was Nde land, and truthfully - it still is. It belongs to the Spirit of the Nde people forever. The rest of us are only visitors.
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Post by dT on Dec 29, 2015 22:32:58 GMT -5
Let me suggest a very practical idea. Choose any pattern that you think works for you. Make the moccasins. And THEN GO AND RUN IN THEM !!! If you want to honor the spirit of people like Cochise and Geronimo ... run in the moccasins. Try to run across country, over hills, down valleys, through bushes.
RUN CROSS COUNTRY - IN YOUR MOCCASINS !!!!
You will discover very quickly how well your moccasins are performing. Do they fit well, or do they rub your feet in many places? Do they withstand the tearing of branches and thorns? Do the stitches hold together, or do they fall apart quickly?
These practical things were much more important to Geronimo, than all of the talk about styles or patterns. If you are fortunate, and you visit the land of the Cochise Stronghold in Arizona ... go and RUN there!! The ground is rough, there are many thorn bushes and cacti to tear your skin, and many many small valleys and hills. You will honor the spirit of the Apaches ... if you run across the land. And then you will really know moccasins!!
dT
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Cochise
Dec 27, 2015 10:33:01 GMT -5
Post by dT on Dec 27, 2015 10:33:01 GMT -5
I think you are referring to Naiche, the younger son of Cochise. People here commonly refer to him by the name Naiche, although the name Natchez was used in the Old West. So if you search the threads here using the name Naiche you will probably find a lot of information.
Naiche was captured and sent to Fort Marion, Florida in 1886. Later he returned to Fort Sill in Oklahoma, and eventually he moved to the Mescalero Reservation in New Mexico in 1913. He died in 1919 at Mescalero. The Apache people living at Mescalero will know the history of the descendants of Naiche.
Here is a copy of a message posted by Jasper4 on this site that gives some information ... ------- "Naiche had 1st wife was Nah-de-yole,2nd wife E-clah-heh. his 3rd wife Ha-o-zinne. E-clah-heh was a great granddaughter of Chief Mahko of the Bedonkohes, and 2nd cousin of Geronimo and of Ish-keh who was wife of Chief Juh of the Nednais; and a 1st cousin of Fun, Tsisnah, Jozhe, Sam Haozous's father Goonah-hleenah, and Jason Betzinez. Their children were Dorothy, May, Bah-nas-kli, and Jane Naiche." ------
You should know that the Apache people living at Mescalero have a full accounting of the descendants of their tribe. It is unlikely that there are any daughters belonging to Naiche who are not accounted for.
dT
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Post by dT on Dec 13, 2015 21:26:36 GMT -5
Other people here can answer much better. Take a look at the thread called "Crow - Group Photographs"
You will see early photos of Crow Scouts riding bareback. Sometimes just a Crow warrior sitting on a blanket on the horse. Later, the Crow warriors have western saddles. During the ceremonial events the Crows would carry a special ceremonial blanket tied to the front of their saddle - again if you look at the photos you can see this.
Art should be creative and individual. I hope you will keep "respect" an important part of your work. And by the way - I am not Crow.
good luck, dT
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Post by dT on Dec 2, 2015 22:04:45 GMT -5
What an extraordinary story. If this biography of Streeter is even halfway true - he should have written a book. He would have made a lot of money :-)
dT
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