After I posted that message before I went to find my Soule and L&S photos but couldn't. ;-(
Although the two seem to show the same (fairly unique) necklace and double cross), IIRC, the headdress in the L&S appears in other L&S pix suggesting that it is a prop. Also, note in the L&S the proper numunapU moccasins.
Again, the name "Kobay-O-burra" is meaningless in NumutekwapU. I don't know where it came from. It is not on the census lists, nor apparently in any contemporary documensts that I have seen other than these photos.
Do you know who made the first pic? Was it Soule or Bliss?
Notice the facial texture/pockmarks. I do not know if WH had small pox when younger (TMK there was no smallpox among the Comanches between ca 1870 and ca 1890 [measles yes, but that's another matter]) , but there is certainly evidence of it here and not in the other pix. That is one of the reasons why I am not sure of the other IDs.
Back to Terheryahkwahip... In this photograph from “Comanches of the New West” by Noyes/Gelo is another son of Horseback. Keithtahroco. According the information in the book he lived from 1875 to 1909. I think he resembles his brother a lot. Or is it more likely his father?
Naiches2: wonderful your two vintage photos of WILD HORSE! I never seen before. Somebody have any info about this mysterious but important chief? About HE BEAR (Parua Kuhma is correct): my info are that in Spring of 1873 his village was camped near Fort Sill, waiting the restitution of some prisoners. In this occasion, he meets the famous photographer Soule, that made some photos. May be that in one of these images also appears He Bear. Later I send to Dietmar the photo in question. I like this chief because he always was enemy of the Whites. He not signed the treaty of Medicine Lodge in 1867. He died of pneumonia in 27 June 1874.
This is another photograph taken by Soule in the camp of Horseback, showing Horseback´s son (second from left) and another Indian (5th from left). He´s probably Horseback himself, I believe I read it first at Thomas´website (please correct me if I´m wrong). Despite the shadows and the low resolution of the scan I think it could be him.
“This is another photograph taken by Soule in the camp of Horseback, showing Horsebackìs son (second from left) and another Indian (5th from left). Heìs probably Horseback himself, I believe I read it first at Thomasì website (please correct me if Iìm wrong). Despite the shadows and the low resolution of the scan I think it could be him.”
Yes, I did make the guestimation that the 5th from left was indeed Terheryakwahip.
Gillett Griswold, former (and now deceased) curator of the Fort Sill Museum, identified the other members of the party as on the left, Horace P. Jones, and third in as Soule himself. That latter ID must mean that Soule had an assistant to pull the shutter.
Griswold, G. 1959 William S. Soule Photographs: A Preliminary Survey. Unpublished Manuscript on File at U.S. Army Artillery and Missile Center Museum, Fort Sill, OK
Kavanagh, T.W. 1988 Consolidated List of William S. Soule Photographs. Unpublished manuscript in author’s possession.
1991 “Whose Village? Photographs by William S. Soule, Winter 1872-1873.” Visual Anthropology 4:1-24.
Please, I am Tom, Dr. Tom if you want to be formal.
Yes, I do have a print from the original negative of # 4. How do I up load it?