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Post by Dietmar on Jul 2, 2009 3:03:03 GMT -5
Charlie has sent me this picture and the following question: The alleged image of PARRA O COOM aka HE BEAR? (at left) He was the principal chief of the Kwahada band of Comanche until 1874, the year of his dead, but already in 1867 the real chief of this band was considered Quanah Parker, more young and charismatic. Can anyone to add a better resolution image of him?
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 2, 2009 4:03:24 GMT -5
Charlie,
I know that in various books the man has been identified as Parra-o-coom (also known as He Bear or Bull Bear), but I have my doubts. There are other sources that only state that the picture was taken in Parra-o-coom´s camp, which is in my opinion much closer to the truth.
In Russel Belous´ and Robert Weinstein´s book about photographer Will Soule, who took the above photo, it is stated that the Indian may be Johnny Horseback. He resembles indeed an individual pictured in other Soule photographs and designated as “Horseback´s son”. I believe it is him.
Best wishes
Dietmar
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 1, 2010 13:38:26 GMT -5
Again, sorry to be so late: This may be the son of Terheryaquahip, 'Horseback', in whose village the pic was made (see php.indiana.edu/~tkavanag/asoule.html). And please, no hypens in names: he was Paruacoom, /parua/ 'bear', /kuhma/ 'male'. tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 1, 2010 13:44:23 GMT -5
BTW: The identification of this guy as Paruakuhma came from Ned Timbo, son of Tahchachi Timbo, son of Paruakuhma, who saw this pic at the Smithsonian and thought he looked like his father.
tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 1, 2010 13:52:54 GMT -5
Also, BTW:
My book, _Comanche Political History_ (1996), has been criticized for not mentioning either Peta Nocana nor Quanah. That is for the very simple reason that neither are mentioned in the contemporary history materials.
The earliest mention of Quanah seem to be J.J. Sturm's account of his 1875 trip out to the Llano to try to bring in the Kwahadas.
The earliest mention of Nocona wasn't until the 1880s with whats'his name's bio of Quanah.
tk
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 1, 2010 14:05:29 GMT -5
tkavanagh, a big welcome to our boards! To be honest, I hoped you would find our little community here. We haven´t concentrated on Comanche history too much so far, but I hope we can change that soon. It would be great if you share some of your knowledge. Best wishes Dietmar P.S. I changed the name of the thread to Paruacoom.
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 1, 2010 14:39:11 GMT -5
Here´s another portrait of Horseback´s son:
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 1, 2010 14:53:19 GMT -5
Or one of them.
I still don't know who is "Johnny Horseback."
tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 1, 2010 14:55:34 GMT -5
BTW
You might change the thread title to Paruacoom/Terheryahkwahip.
tk
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 1, 2010 15:10:18 GMT -5
I did Is it true that no known photograph of Paruacoom exists? I´ll look for more photos of Horseback and his son and post them tomorrow.
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 1, 2010 15:57:55 GMT -5
Yes. (or no) : I know of no photo of ParuaKuhma
The Soule photo of "Paruakuhma's village" is part of the same village the one that I have identified as Horseback's, winter, 1872-73.
There are three Soule photos of HB and his sons.
tk
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Post by naiches2 on Sept 1, 2010 16:06:45 GMT -5
Welcome tkavanagh! I read you brilliant book. Horsback Portrait by Soule Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Sept 1, 2010 16:15:31 GMT -5
In the caption to this picture was written: 'Wild Horse (Kobay-o-burra) chief Comanches upon death Parra-o-coom 1874' Attachments:
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 2, 2010 8:36:31 GMT -5
I've never been really sure that this is Kobe 'Wild Horse'. The'o-burra' part of that name is not Numunuu, gthe face paint seems wrong, and those are not /numunapU/ Comanche moccasins.
tk
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Post by naiches2 on Sept 2, 2010 10:06:45 GMT -5
Ок! You are a expert , but this photo by Lenny & Sawyers also labeled "Wild Horse Kobay-O-burra, Comanche". Attachments:
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