Old Photos - Comanche

[Historian]

Comanche woman – 1868


Nokoney – Comanche – 1870


Buffalo Hump – Comanche - 1872


Timber Bluff – Comanche – 1872


The Milky Way – Comanche – 1872


wife of The Milky Way – Comanche – 1872


Silver Knife (aka Silver Broach) – Comanche – 1872


wife of Silver Knife – Comanche – 1872


He Goat – Comanche – 1872


wife of He Goat – Comanche – 1872


Chewing Elk – Comanche – 1872


Chi-wek-kiethe and Cha-wa-ke (aka Looking For Something Good) - Comanche - 1874


Quanah Parker - Comanche - no date


Quanah Parker - Comanche - 1880


Quanah Parker – Comanche – 1890


L-R: Charles Ohetant (Kiowa), Ako (Comanche), Watchymamsookwat (Comanche) - 1890


Comanche man – 1891


Comanche man – 1891


Comanche man – 1891


Comanche men – 1891


Quanah Parker – Comanche – 1892


Quanah Parker and three wives – Comanche – 1892


Quanah Parker and one wife – Comanche – 1892


children of Quanah Parker – Comanche – 1892


Comanche men – 1892


Comanche men – 1892


Ako - Comanche – 1892


Comanche women – 1892


Comanche men and women – 1892


White Wolf – Comanche – 1894


Hot Coffee – Comanche – 1894


Big Looking Glass – Comanche – 1894


Post Oak Jim (on right), and his brother – Comanche – 1895


Comanche man – 1895


Comanche couple – 1895


Comanche man – 1898


Comanche man – 1898


Comanche man – 1900


Tah-Cha-Chi (aka Timbo, aka Hairless) - Comanche - no date


Tah-Cha-Chi (aka Timbo, aka Hairless) - Comanche - no date


Comanche group – 1905


Betty Kerchee - Comanche - no date


Quanah Parker (with 3 wives, a son and a baby) - Comanche - 1905


Comanche group - no date


Oscar Yellow Wolf - Comanche - no date


Wife of Oscar Yellow Wolf - Comanche - no date


Pebo - Comanche - no date


Andrew Perd-a-sof-py - Comanche - no date


Millet and Quasiah - Comanche - no date


Ti-su-yo - Comanche - 1910


Peets-Nah - Comanche - 1910


Comanche man - 1910


Comanche men - 1910


Nau-Nooh - Comanche - 1910


Tenikwa – Comanche – 1919


Albert Atocni – Comanche – 1926


Albert Atocni – Comanche – 1926


Tuas-ye-ah, Quannah Parker's granddaughter, Alberta Clark, and Tsatoke (aka Hunting Horse) - Comanche - 1926


Topay and Tonicy (wives of Quanah Parker) - Comanche - 1926


Quah-se-yah - Comanche - 1926


Comanche and Kiowa women - no date


Comanche and Kiowa women - no date


Donald Big Cow and wife - Comanche - no date


Comanche group - no date


Comanche group - no date


Comanche women - no date


Comanche women - 1945

[Historian]

Comanche men - no date


Little Chief - Comanche - no date

[naiches2]

Are very interesting images Comanches by Will Soule at Ft. Sill
Comanche Chief and Colonel Lee

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[naiches2]

Another shot
Chief Tosawa, Penateka Comanche Chief

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[grahamew]

Are these by Gannaway?

[tkavanagh]

naiches2:

Coupla points:

I don't think your first pic is Toshawa; second one maybe (compare mouths).

I don't think they're Soule (not his backdrop).

Also, "Col" J. Lee Hall was KCA agent 1885-87, long after Soule left. [The KCA agency was consolidated with the WCD agency in Anadarko in 1879. Tosawa had lived lived near Anadarko since about 1875.]

tk

[naiches2]

For me n2 is Toshawa - compare with another shot.
As for Soule is written on the cover letter at the Oklahoma Historical Society.

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[Dietmar]

Yep, I think he is Toshawa. I posted a small sample of the picture earlier in this thread:

amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=comanche&action=display&thread=1390

The inscription on the photo says "Tashaway Chief Comanches".


Thanks naiches2!

[tkavanagh]

Apr 28, 2012 6:37:14 GMT -5 naiches2 said:

...As for Soule is written on the cover letter at the Oklahoma Historical Society.

As much as I respect Chester Cowan at OHS, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done this.

tk

[naiches2]

Print Screen from PDF from the Oklahoma Historical Society.

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[tkavanagh]

Apr 28, 2012 12:52:45 GMT -5 naiches2 said:

Print Screen from PDF from the Oklahoma Historical Society.

Two points:

1) Someone at OHS, years ago, misread someone's handwriting 'Josani' for 'Tosawi'.

There was no Comanche named 'Josani' alive between 1879 and 1926; I have compiled and cross-referenced all of the Comanche censuses (see: mypage.iu.edu/~tkavanag/comtext.htm) [and the Kiowa censuses 1879-1901].

2) Someone concluded if it was a an 'early' photo of a Comanche, the photographer had to be Soule.

What?, someone involved with photographs would make a mistake and/or misidentify a photo? Would Soule himself, in the only images he actually copyrighted, have given different identifications to images of the SAME village? Say it ain't so!

(see mypage.iu.edu/~tkavanag/asoule.html).

But this ain't a Soule image

May well be "Old Tosh".

tk

[Dietmar]

Tom,

I agree that it doesn´t look like a Soule photograph. Look at the other samples I posted. Toshawa sits on a chair and you can see the floor and the wall in the background.

n2, do you have the exact link to the Oklahoma site? Are there more interesting photographs hidden? Thanks.

[tkavanagh]

Deitmar:

AFAIK, the only definitely Soule photo of Toshawa is the one you posted in reply 1 in the other thread, the Hardee-hat-with-a-star one. The other pix of him in a chair are by Gardner in 1972 in Washington.

As for OHS, go to

okhistory.cuadra.com/starweb3/l.skca-catalog/servlet.starweb3?path=l.skca-catalog/skcacatalog.web

You can browse, or make specific searches. For example, enter "Comanche Soule". I got 15 hits. Several of them have the caption "... CAMPS MEDICINE CREEK. ... WINTER OF 1872-3. PHOTO BY WILLIAM STINSTON SOULE, FORT SILL, I.T., Winter 1872 - 1873" indicating that they have updated their information based on my 1991 article "Whose Village?" (the basis for my "Comanche Domestic Architecture" e-article cited above.)

tk

[grahamew]

I guess they're not by Gannaway, who was working at Fort Smith in the 1860s. Not if that is agent Lee, anyhow.

[naiches2]

Hi, Dietmar!
I took it from same adress.
Hi tkavanagh! I'm not worried about who made ​​these pictures. Just wanted to give to friends that pictures in good quality.