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Post by tkavanagh on Apr 30, 2012 7:20:44 GMT -5
<snip> Hi tkavanagh! I'm not worried about who made these pictures. Just wanted to give to friends that pictures in good quality. Ha Haits naiches2: tk is just fine, you don't have to spell out the name. There are two inter-related aspects of photographs involved here, attribution and content. As for attribution: I have been interested in Soule in detail ever since I found those images of the Medicine Creek village. I started trying to make as full an inventory of his images as I could; my database is up to about 225 total in a variety of formats. As for content: It always struck me as strange that after Soule (and Bliss and Shuster) there were no photographers of Comanches (or KCA in general) for most of the 1880s and early 1890s. Thus the image of the Comanche "chief" and "Col Lee", if that is J Lee Hall, is interesting as it gives a lead to a photographer of Comanches in the 1880s. ps, those photos above dated ca 1891-1892 are by the anthropologist James Mooney (and/or his hired aide, W. J. Lenny [of Lenny and Sawyers]), made on side trips to the KCA from his trips out to Cheyenne-Arapahoe to study the Ghost Dance tk |
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Post by tkavanagh on Apr 30, 2012 7:27:21 GMT -5
A quick thought:
Did I confuse "Col *Lee*" with Agent J. *Lee* Hall", and thus mis-date the image? If it is a "Col", why is he not in uniform, or is this a courtesy title, like 'Col' Sanders (of KFC)?
Inquiring minds need to know; I'll be right back after I check some sources.
tk
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Post by tkavanagh on Apr 30, 2012 7:42:48 GMT -5
And a quick reply:
"Col Lee" is unlikely to be agent J. Lee Hall. Tom Hagan (_US -Comanche Relations_, p 168) quotes the novelist O. Henry, "who knew him...*blond* as a viking..." The bearded man in that photo is not blond. QED.
How about Nelson Lee, to whom is attributed the discredited _Three Years Among the Comanches_ (1859)? That would push the date back much earlier.
tk
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Post by johnnycobra on Apr 6, 2013 13:14:08 GMT -5
to all: Hope everybody is fine.. I would like to request assistance from anyone who may have pictures of some of my Comanche relatives from the past. I have been unable to find any at all and have searched many websites and forums. i would appreciate any help, I really would like to see what my Comanche family looked like.
My relatives are as follows:
Tomichicut (Blackbeard) chief 1874
Toponypeah (Blackbeard's wife)
Nellie Chi bitty (I believe Blackbeard's wife)
or finally chop-pay (Blackbeard's mother)
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Post by tkavanagh on Apr 6, 2013 18:30:18 GMT -5
Johnnycobra:
The names "Toponypeah" and "chop-pay", or any variant I can think of, apparently do not appear on any Comanche census list 1879-1942. Nellie Chibitty was born in 1895 and so could not have been the wife of Tomotsucut, who died ca 1880,
tk
Esimotsoraivo
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Post by johnnycobra on Apr 20, 2013 10:53:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply, you're right the dates dont coincide... so onward looking to the past.
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Post by bpogson on Dec 16, 2013 21:46:49 GMT -5
Searching for a photo of Jennie Howeah, daughter of Yamparika chief Howeah, and concubine of Texas cattleman Tom Burnett
She died about 1910
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Post by merari on Mar 17, 2015 0:10:22 GMT -5
Merari
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Post by Californian on Aug 1, 2024 20:42:56 GMT -5
Comanches watering their horses, by Lenny & Sawyers, Purcell, Indian Territory, ca. 1880's (dated because as of 1890 Indian Territory became officially Oklahoma Territory) click onto image to enlarge |
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