Who were the most fearsome Apache bands?

[natethegreat]

Sept 7, 2019 4:24:50 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

Oct 20, 2018 10:36:55 GMT -5 Nate said:

I am talking about the entire Apache tribe. There were many Apache bands that fought with U.S. troops and Mexicans. Some notables include:

Chief Mahco's band (1780)

I think we should be more cautious when it comes to Mahco, because one of the Nde tradition confirmed by Jason Betzinez relates that the times of his chieftainship were a period of peace and trade with the Mexicans. Betzinez claims that Mahco was a peace loving and generous person. Asa Daklugie claims that he fought only when attacked.

One can also consult the book by Angie Debo: books.google.pl/books?id=jyUYEKILvn8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Geronimo+Angie+debo&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1gNeNrr7kAhUjxosKHemSDoMQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Macho&f=false

And also: books.google.pl/books?id=Ed5KxmJhkoYC&pg=PT24&dq=Geronimo+Mahco&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjB666Dsb7kAhXll4sKHbbPBw0Q6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Geronimo%20Mahco&f=false

thank you ouroboros

[ouroboros]

Lets make a honourable mention of a famous Mescalero warrior known as Guero Carranza or Guerro Carranza

As Carlysle Graham Raht described him in his book - Guero was a "great brave among the Mescaleros, and stole horses, took scalps, and did other meritorious actions more than any other man in his tribe."

I will consider to make a thread about Guero.

[ouroboros]

Interestingly, the most feared band of the whole Apachean linguistic group could be a group of Lipan Apaches who called themselves Te'l kóndahä or Te'l kóndahäⁿ which translates as "Wild goose people". The Lipans are neglected but they in general were fierce warriors and excellent horsemen, and the Te'l kóndahä produced the best fighters of this tribe.

This very warlike group was feared by many southern plains people including the fierce Comanches. Te'l kóndahä had a reputation of renowned and feared warriors - as Albert S. Gatschet (a linguist who made fieldwork among the Lipan) noted "they fight all the time".

The name of the Te'l kóndahä relates to an ancient Lipan myth called "The battle with wild geese". As Nancy McGown Minor writes (The Light Gray People, p. 95):

“In this myth, a group of Lipan raiders came upon a camp of people who had been troubled by attacks of wild geese. The geese enjoyed fighting- “dancing up and down,” brandishing their wings as shields and “they could kill with their pecking.” The name of this Lipan band was probably based on a particular style of battle, using shields and arrows to “flap” and “peck at” the enemy”

You can read about the Lipan myth about the the wild geese in: Morris Opler, Myths and legends of the Lipan Apache Indians, 1940. Here is the link to this book: catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001631383