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Post by W. Smoke on May 31, 2011 2:29:59 GMT -5
reesescup024,
Yes, Red cloud was a nephew of Smoke... his maternal uncle!
Smoke was the brother to Red clouds mother Walks as she thinks!
Yes... Big mouth, & Blue horse were twin bros. & sons of Smoke & his 3rd wife Burnt her woman; she was from the Sicangu!
Yes... the twin bros. was born in the same year as their cousin Red cloud in 1822!
Smoke only had ONE Daughter named Ulala aka Spotted horse woman & he had Ulala from his 1st wife Looking cloud woman; she was from the Minneconju!
those books, sometimes they dont know the half of it!
Im the direct great-great-great grandson of the old Chief Smoke!
my names Wendell Smoke!
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Post by hreinn on May 31, 2011 5:15:45 GMT -5
Hello Wendell Smoke !
Good to hear from you again.
Who of Smoke's wives was the mother of (Old) Man Afraid of His Horse ?
Hreinn
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Post by W. Smoke on May 31, 2011 21:03:07 GMT -5
hreinn,
Smoke had 5 wives & 10 children, "1 daughter & 9 sons";
Smoke had Ulala aka Spotted horse woman from his 1st wife Looking cloud woman; she was from the Minneconju!
Smoke had Man afraid of his horses I & Smoke II from his 2nd wife Comes out slow woman; she was from the Oglala!
Smoke had Big mouth & Blue horse from his 3rd wife Burnt her woman; she was from the Sicangu!
Smoke had Amercan horse I & Woman dress from his 4th wife Yellow haired woman; she was from the Southern Cheyenne Tribe!
Smoke had No neck from his 5th wife Brown eyes woman; she was from the Hunkpapa!
Smoke had 2 nephews that he adopted as sons, Red cloud in 1825 & Bull bear III in 1841!
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Post by hreinn on Jun 1, 2011 3:48:48 GMT -5
Thanks for a detailed answer Wendell Smoke !
It is very interesting.
Thanks for sharing your family history.
With warm thoughts from the north.
Hreinn
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Post by W. Smoke on Jun 2, 2011 4:25:51 GMT -5
Welcome.... hreinn!
If you or anyones have anymore questions...
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Post by hreinn on Jun 2, 2011 10:59:48 GMT -5
Thanks and good to hear Wendell Smoke ! There are always more questions !  Do you prefer to get these questions here in this thread or in a personal message on this web site or in a personal e-mail ? Hreinn |
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Post by W. Smoke on Jun 2, 2011 11:28:16 GMT -5
Message me on here or in a personal message on here... either way it's fine!
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Post by hreinn on Jun 2, 2011 14:09:14 GMT -5
Hello again Wendell Smoke ! It would be interesting to know the oppinion of your great-great-grandfather Solomon (Smoke 2) on several matters which happened between 1860 - 1880. Was he part of the Payabya group who splitted away from the Hunkpatila band ? As for example his brother Man Afraid of His Horse did. Or did he stay in the Hunkpatila band ? As for example Crazy Horse did. Did he fight in the Black Hills War in 1876 ? Did he go to Canada during the winter 1877-1878 or later ? It would be interesting to know what Oglála band your great-great-great-grandmother - the mother of Solomon (Smoke 2) - belonged to. Do you know her parents name and to what band they belonged to ? Was Yellow Eagle another name of Smoke ? Is the Standing Bull who discovered the Black Hills according to several Lakota winter counts, the same person as your ancestor Standing Bull and father of Body Parts ? Do you know anything about the relatives of Black Buffalo. The husband of White Cow Woman and the father of One Horn, Lone Horn etc.. For example his parents and grandparents and to what Lakota division and/or band they belonged to ? It is said that one group within the Hunkpatila was Kapozha. Do you know the names of other groups within the Hunkpatila ? Did Payabya exists within the Hunkpatila band before the split from the Hunkpatila ? Or was it a new name for the leaving group ? In what year did Payabya split away from the Hunkpatila ? Do you know any details of how and why and where the Payabya splitted away from the Hunkpatila ? Was the Oyuhpe band part of the Hunkpatila band, before Hunkpatila splitted into Smoke people vs. Bear people ? That is, was the Oyuhpe a group within the Hunkpatila before the split into the Smoke people vs. Bear people ? Or was the Oyuhpe formed and given their name after the split of the Hunkpatila into the Smoke people vs. Bear people, because they were the neutral people in this conflict within the Hunkpatila ? I also wrote you a short message (you get access to it on the top of the web page, close to where you login). I hope you don't get bothered by all these questions. Thanks in advance for your patience. I look forward to your reply ! Hreinn |
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Post by W. Smoke on Jun 3, 2011 23:21:26 GMT -5
hreinn,
on Solomon "Smoke" II;
B.1835... D.1895; aged 60
his childhood's name was Bad-face
he earn the great Smoke name in 1863 after he went through the smoke of an train toward the Niobrara River, NE! (His father Smoke honor him by giving his name to him)
he was close to his brother Man Afraid I & stay with-in his brother's camp for awhile!
he probably in the Red cloud's wars!
Solomon was an leader of Toklala society & headman of the IteSica band of the Oglalas!
later on, he was the chief of his own band called Bald heads of Pine ridge & Porcupine!
No, he wasn't at the war of Little big horn in 1876!
When the B.I.A. Census was establish, he took the name of Solomon... so Solomon "Smoke" II was his name!
Solomon went with his brother No neck to Canada several times in 1877 & 1890 but came back one day later!
he was at Wounded knee massacre & got wounded in 1890!
Solomon was feuding with Red cloud (remember that time everyones spliting off from Red cloud... almost everyones dislike Rc) so Solomon was the first to move his family & band to the place present-day called Porcupine!
Solomon married in the Minneconju band to a woman named Lone woman... they had;
Save lives woman in 1873 Later on named Nancy
Smoke III "war-bonnet" in 1876 Later on named Wendell
Brings spotted woman in 1878 Later on named Susan
Red-white cow woman in 1882 Later on named Mary
Solomon died from a heart attack in 1895!
White Bull & Wendell became the headmen of the Bald heads band of Porcupine!
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Post by hreinn on Jun 4, 2011 8:57:45 GMT -5
Hello Wendell Smoke ! Thanks for your writings about Solomon Smoke 2. It is very interesting to see the outline of his life during these stormy times. I really like the details. Thank you so much for sharing this. I enjoy to read it. Hreinn |
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Post by W. Smoke on Jun 5, 2011 2:47:28 GMT -5
Welcome... hreinn!
anytime!!!
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Post by hreinn on Jun 5, 2011 6:47:03 GMT -5
Hello Wendell Smoke ! Solomon was an leader of Toklala society & headman of the IteSica band of the Oglalas! later on, he was the chief of his own band called Bald heads of Pine ridge & Porcupine! What kind of a society was Toklala ? For example, was it an akíčhita (akicita) society ? Did the members of Toklala society consists of only Hunkpatilas or were the members also from other bands of Oglála ? Do you know names of other individuals of the Toklala society ? Do you know in what year and month Solomon Smoke 2 left the IteSica band and established his own band - the Bald Heads of Pine Ridge & Porcupine ? Hreinn |
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Post by hreinn on Jun 5, 2011 7:51:23 GMT -5
Wendell Smoke: Solomon went with his brother No neck to Canada several times in 1877 & 1890 but came back one day later! Did Solomon Smoke 2 and No Neck act as messengers between their relatives in Canada and the U.S. Army/U.S. Government ? Or did they have a permission from the government to negotiate with the Lakotas in Canada ? Any comments on the nature of their travels to Canada ? It must have been difficult to go to Canada several times in that period ! Any further comments on what you said about his/their return from Canada one day later in 1890 ? Hreinn |
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Post by W. Smoke on Jun 6, 2011 2:41:02 GMT -5
hreinn,
The Toklalas "Kit fox" was an great chief & warrior society amongst the Lakota Sioux!
Each Lakota bands had their own Toklalas!
Bout in 1865, 1868 & 1875 when Smoke II establish his own band "Bald heads"!
In 1865 the re-maining portion of the people who re-maining faithful & followers of Chief Smoke chose Smoke II as one of their acting headmen! (after the death of Smoke in 1864)
In 1868 Smoke II & his followers gain more people!
In 1875 the followers appointed Smoke II as the Chief & White bull as a headman of them!
No, Smoke II & No neck wasn't messengers!
In 1877 Smoke II went to Canada with his brother No neck because No neck's mother Brown eyes woman was from the hunkpapas... No Neck wanted to go, see & stay with his mother's relatives! So Smoke II went with No neck but that next day Smoke II returned!
In 1890 after Smoke II got wounded at the massacre... he took flight with his Bro. No Neck, & a chief White bull & some Minneconjus/Oglalas to Canada that but next day they returned!
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Post by hreinn on Jun 6, 2011 3:35:40 GMT -5
Wendell Smoke: Always interesting ! Hreinn |
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