Sitinte's Kids

[tkavanagh]

Taking Sherman Chaddlesone's list of Sitinte's kids (From cinemo in the Satanta's Son thread), adding numbers to keep them straight but removing those meddlesome hyphens, using the Agency spellings, and adding other information, we have *ten* children by five wives:

1. Tsalaute (Gray Goose)
2. Odlepaw (Buffalo Bird){1}
3. Auchiah (Looks-in-a-Ute-Lodge)
4. AyKeen (Dash-at-the-Enemy)
5. Sahtopeaydoh (Pipe Holder)
6. Ahtohnah (Charging the Enemy)
7. Sahgehahhodle (Skirmish on the East Side)
8. Paiahtay (Same Land Mark)

The wives and children are:

I. [— -gope] {2}
1.Tsalaute/ Sitinte II
4. Akeen {3}
- Haunanchike {4}
- Kaudlemah {5}

II. Zonety
2. Kauqueye /Odlepaugh

III. Sahtomeh
3. Auchiah

IV. Piety
5. Sautopahto
6. Ahtonah/Ahtonemah {6}

V. Tsahahto
8. Pahahty


I can find nothing close to “Sahgehahhodle.”

Notes:
{1} Except for “Grey Goose,” I cannot vouch for the translations.
{2} In the DAR’s FRB, this is noted as illegible.
{3} Akeen died 9/1909 w/ no children.
{4} In a listing of Akeen’s heirs (FRB p. 205), it is noted: “(Atumponyo) heirs though her deceased father SITINTE [e.g., Tsalaute], a full brother of AKEEN. (Note: Akeen had one brother H..., and one sister K..., both of whom died prior to allottment and who left no children.” In 1879 (@248), H is listed as meaning “No nonsence’ [sic]. There seems to be no further mention of him.
{4} Kaudlemah may be Kaudlemauty, listed thru 1895.
{5} There are two entries in the FRB for the name(s) Ahtonah/Ahtonemah: FRB 30/126 and 335/1046; while 335/1046 is referenced on the Akeen heirship page, that woman is listed with different parents, while 30/126 is listed with parents Sitinty and Piety.

tk

[cinemo]

Thanks a lot Mr. Kavanagh ,

for this extraordinary and remarkable explanation with regard to Sitinty`s children and wives

greetings from Germany - cinemo

[tkavanagh]

Being the stickler I am on the agency spellings, I realized last night as soon as I posted it, that the title of this thread should be "Sitinte's Kid's" [no 'y'], but I couldn't see a way to change it.

tk

[Dietmar]

tk, no problem, I just changed it.

If you click on the ´modify´ button in the first message of a thread, you can not only change that post but also the thread´s title.

[tkavanagh]

Tnx Dietmar. I knew about the "modify" command in the text, but didn't know it could work in the thread title as well.


tk

(still learning about these computer contraptions.)

[Dietmar]

Auchiah´s son James later became a prominent Kiowa artist:

digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/A/AU001.html

AUCHIAH, JAMES (1906-1974)



One of the celebrated Kiowa artists of the twentieth century, James Auchiah was born in western Oklahoma on November 17, 1906. His paintings, along with those of four other Kiowa men and one Kiowa woman, were among the first nationally and internationally recognized fine art produced by North American Indians. He was born near the present community of Medicine Park, located just outside of Lawton, Oklahoma. He was the son of Mark Auchiah and grandson of Chief Satanta. He was also the grandson of Red Tipi, a well-known medicine man and a talented artist. Early in life Auchiah and other Kiowa youths were given art lessons by Kiowa Field Matron Susie Peters. He attended St. Patrick's Mission School near Anadarko and attended special art classes with other Kiowas at the University of Oklahoma during the late 1920s under the tutelage of professors Edith Mahier and Oscar Jacobson, director of the School of Art. Auchiah served in the U.S. Coast Guard during World War II and worked part time at the U.S. Army Artillery and Missile Center Museum at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. In the 1930s he completed murals at the Wiley Post Building (at that time the Oklahoma Historical Society building) in Oklahoma City, at the Oklahoma Federal Building in Anadarko, and at St. Patrick's Mission. Auchiah's work can be found in numerous private and public collections, including the Fort Sill Museum and the Gilcrease Museum. He continued to paint and teach art until his death on December 28, 1974, at Carnegie, Oklahoma. He received an award in 1930 at the Inter-Tribal Ceremonials in Gallup, New Mexico, and is noted in numerous exhibitions, art reviews, books, and articles.

See also here:

www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Auchiah&GSfn=james&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=63654207&df=all&

[chicheman]

Here something I found in Kiowa Voices II (Maurice Boyd) :

Satanta´s oldes son, Tsa´laute (Cry of the wild goose), had ridden as a warrior with his father.
He served later with the Indian Police at the Kiowa Agency. The other two boys, Odle-pah (Buffalo bird) and Auchiah (Looks in a Ute lodge), both joined the army at Fort Sill, serving in Troop L of the 7th U.S. Cavalry under Capt. H.L. Scott and Col. Kellog, the Post Commander.
They served five years and were honorably discharged. When they left army life, they presented their father´s sun shield to Capt. Scott. Satanta had carried it in more than one hundred fights.

Mark Auchiah, one of Satanta´s sons, was a swift runner who once outran a fast horse.
While a soldier at Fort Sill (1891 to 1896), he was on special patrol during the noon opening of
the Cheyenne and Arapaho Reservation on May 22, 1892. Auchiah died on Febr. 27, 1935, at the age of 69 in his home at Saddle Mountain.
Auchiah´s son was the famous Kiowa Artist James Auchiah. (page 232)

Kiowa Voices I (Maurice Boyd) :

Satanta´s Burial at Fort Sill.
James Auchiah, grandson of Satanta, carries Satanta´s original ceremonial warbonnet on the horse´s saddle at the reburial ceremony of Satanta in Chieftain Cemetery, Fort Sill on June 8, 1963. The original burial site was the prison cemetery at Huntsville, Texas, nearly ninety years earlier. (p. 73)

chicheman

[Dietmar]

Danke chicheman,

then perhaps James Auchiah is wearing Satanta´s warbonnet in this photo as well?:

[tkavanagh]

OK, so I’m not only a stickler on agency spelling, I'm also skeptical about claims of historicity. Thus I am wary of anything called “original,” “traditional,” or “ceremonial,” and variations thereof.

- <snip> “...Satanta's original ceremonial warbonnet ... in 1963 ...”</snip> (chicheman)

- <snip> “... then perhaps James Auchiah is wearing Satanta's warbonnet in this photo as well?” </snip> (Dietmar)

While it is possible that the headdress James Auchiah carried on his saddle in 1963 may well have been the one he wore ca 1930 in the pictures of the Kiowa Five, it is highly unlikely that it was “...Satantás original ceremonial warbonnet.” [Are there photos of the 1963 event with which we can compare the 1930s headdress?]

Think about it:

-Sitinte died in 1878. Thus in the 1930s, an “original” Sitinte headdress would have been almost 60 years old (assuming it was made before 1872), and at least 85 years old in 1963. Its condition, certainly by the latter date, would have been fragile at best, particularly if having been still used (for whatever purposes) during the interim.

- How would James Auchiah have obtained such an item? No doubt by a most circuitous route.

While it is known that upon his release from prison in 1874, Sitinte had given away several items related to his membership in the Tiapiah society, allegedly symbolizing his resignation from the war path, there is no mention of a headdress, which might have been more of a personal rather than a society item.

But assuming that if he/his family had kept a headdress, certainly it would have been inherited by sons. Thus the eldest, Tsalaute/Sitinte II (b ca 1850) might have inherited it along with the name. He died (ca 1894), leaving no sons. Where would it have gone?

His younger brother, Kauqueye / Odlepaugh (b. ca 1854) was then about 40. Maybe he received it. He died sometime after the 1901 allotment (I don’t have those records), but apparently he left no sons either.

That left the youngest brother, Auchiah (b. ca 1872). Again, I don’t know his passing date, but he did have a son: James (b. 1906).

Thus, as the only grandson, James might indeed have a claim on such a thing. But in the 1930s, James would only have been in his 20s. And lacking a war record, would he have worn such an important/powerful “original” thing? Maybe he had another one made.

All this being said, we should also note that while we “westerners” do put a value on the “original,” the same might not be true of the various folks with whom we deal. Sometimes “replacements” are just as good as “originals” (think of the “replacement” Sacred Arrows of the Cheyenne made after the Pawnees capture them [“Sorry, they’re Pawnee arrows now”]). A favorite story of a historian/antique-hunter friend of mine concerns Abraham Lincoln’s axe, the one he used to split all those rails when a young man: Upon offering it for sale, the dealer noted, “Yup, it’s had three new handles and two new heads, but it’s Lincoln’s Axe, no doubt about it.”

No doubt about it.

tk

[Dietmar]

Tom,

thanks, I appreciate being corrected when something posted here isn´t accurate.

I don´t have Maurice Boyd books... is there a clearer source for his statement? Did James Auchiah himself state that it was the bonnet of his grandfather?

Besides, here is a picture of a war-bonnet displayed at Fort Sill, allegedly said to be of Satanta:

www.614arty.org/slideshows/walt_s_slideshow/pages/Chief_Satanta_Warbonnet.html

[chicheman]

Thanks a lot for the comment Dr. Kavanagh, that makes sense of course what you´re saying.
I was just mentioning what´s in the books, Kiowa Voices I + II. Beside that, it might also be the case, as you were suggesting, that it may well be a replica of the original warbonnet, - still Satanta´s bonnet perhaps of a native point of view.
However, I´m here at my working place and don´t have the books here, but I think the warbonnet in the photo in my book looks quite similar like the one on the photo Dietmar was posting.

I´m not sure how to post photos here, but I could send it to Dietmar perhaps by e-mail.
Only there is a note below the photo, saying it is courtesy of a museum (if I have right in mind right now). So what about copyright when posting here ?

chicheman

[tkavanagh]

Dietmar:

I don't have the _Kiowa Voices_ books, although I do have some others. I haven't really focused on Kiowas until this, and the other, Sitinte tread. I did meet Lynn Poahty briefly [his last wife, Gina, was aunt to my major Comanche friend, Reaves Nahwooks, and thru them a frequent participant in our Smithsonian doings back in the 1970s].

I'll be out in Oklahoma in a few weeks (Comanche Homecoming is July 20) and will stop off at Sill and speak to Towana Spivey about the matter.

chicheman: I'm "Dr. Kavanagh" only in really formal situations, or in the classroom. Around here, tom or tk (or even Esimotostaivo 'grey-bearded white guy') are fine.

tk

[chicheman]

tkavanagh:

All right, I understand, thanks for the offer to simply use Tom or tk or Esimotostaivo. I´ll do that.

I was just going back to the photo in that book I mentioned. It shows James Auchiah, so the description goes, leading a ( white) horse with a warbonnet attached to the saddle (looking very similar like the one shown in the photo Dietmar was posting). James Auchiah himself is wearing another warbonnet looking the same style. Well, that photo doesn´t allow to do much or detailed comparison with the other I think, the bonnet not to well shown. Courtesy Jane Pattie mentioned.
So it would be most interesting to learn what you can find out in OK. Thanks in advance.

chicheman

[Dietmar]

chicheman:

You can send me an e-mail and I´ll upload your photo: [e-mail]

[cinemo]

I have found a small info about Mark Auchiah ( Looks in a Ute Lodge )
His Indian name was Se't-ki'nte

I wonder about the origin of his translated English name : Looks in a Ute Lodge
How is this name originated ? ( origin story ) ( The Ute tribe is known to me )

cinemo