Lozan

[burta]

Hello to all.

I am a sculptor and I'm doing a piece now of the great Apache warrior Lozan. Info about her is hard to find and there seems to be no photos of her. I want the piece to show strength but I'm not sure I want to have her carrying a gun,although I might end up doing so. I know she was also a Medicine Woman with great powers.
I would like to know from all of you that know so much about the people what she would be carrying in her hand or on her person that would be authentic and help imply power.
Look forward to hearing from you all on what is known about this great woman. Thank you for your help.

[jeroen]

Hello Burta,

There is very info if you want to portray Lozan (Lozen).... I did an oil painting of her several years ago and faced pretty much the same dilemmas. Kaywaykla stated that she could shoot about as well as any man, so a gun would not be out of character I guess... She also wore her hair long (so, as a warrior woman she would also have a headband or bandana) and most likely a skirt... Because there is so little fact to go on, I called the painting "The legendary Lozen"... I would like to see the completed sculpture...

[burta]

Thanks for the reply jeroen,

Like you painting, you do nice work.
I will have her in a skirt and a gun is begining to make since but I can wait no that a little longer. I'm wondering about jewelry, what were Apache women wearing at the time of her life. I have seen beads in photos but didn't know if she would be wearing them on the war trail. I was thinking conchos were used and I see you used them in your work. I would think being engaged with the Mexicans the conchos would have been something they would have. I'll keep you updated on the piece and I'll post it as soon as its done. I'm sure I'll have more questions before its finished. Thanks again.

[kayitah]

Welcome, Burta

It was said that Lozen had "horse power", which means she had a special bond to horses and was enormously skilled in anything that had to do with them. She was an excellent rider and a great horse-thief.

Maybe the following documentation about Lozen will help you, too. At the very least it should be interesting.

[jasper4]

this is vid on Lozen with at the opening a pic said to be her from the POW days. I have personal knowledge of her Power and her KIN which I am one enough said. You will note the vid has the above beautiful painting by Jeroen. I too welcome You and would love to see the finished work Enjun Jasper

[jasper4]

is segment 2 of a series on Lozen which was not her real name yet I wish you well on your venture. the use of jewelry was a choice as in some wore medicine leather shashes yet for battle no shining object would be proper and she never wore feathers only few wore them noramlly a small eagle feather was worn on a shash called for protection in battle. I would say to you check out all the aegment on Lozen warrior woman and she could shoot with either hand Peace Jasper4

[pullingup]

Lozen would not have dressed any differently from the standard style of clothing worn by Chiricahua/Warm Springs Apache women. She would not have worn a headband. She would not have had bare legs or bare arms showing. As accessory items, a rifle or pistol would be ok, and by extension, an ammo belt might have been worn. A medicine sash would have been unlikely for Lozen.

[Mithlo]

I agree.... no part of her legs should be showing at all....nor should her arms above the elbows or her armpit area. Also....the "low-cut" "V-shaped" cleavage of her blouse/shirt would never be allowed. Other than that I must say your art style is very beautiful and interesting!!!!

[jeroen]

Thank you pullingup and Mithlo for your comments... It is not easy to portray someone with so little info to go on... So I read about everything that is known about Lozen and you try to form a picture of her in your mind... Surely she would conform to standard cultural customs and habits, but she would also still be an individual with her own particulars.... This certainly goes for Lozen who held an unusual position. As far as I can judge, she followed her own path in life and made her own decisions... With this in mind I wanted to portray her as a highly respected woman warrior (weapons, composition with her in center and front), and I added the headband which, I know was not common for women, but would be convenient and sensible when riding and fighting like other warriors. The dress is long as was common for women, I just lifted it a little bit to give her appearance a bit "movement"; this group has been riding fast and now take a little break to check for pursuing army patrols... The shirt I agree is a bit to "sexy", but this was done to stress Lozen's femininity ( she is described as a beautiful looking woman) which is an interesting contrast to her warrior status. (Also, it was one of the directions of the couple that commissioned this painting to show Lozen as a real woman, not some sort of manlike woman). So I took a little artistic liberty there. All in all, I hope you will see it as an honest an respectful rendering of Lozen... for that was/is my intention.

[jasper4]

Jul 3, 2012 19:12:49 GMT -5 Mithlo said:

I agree.... no part of her legs should be showing at all....nor should her arms above the elbows or her armpit area. Also....the "low-cut" "V-shaped" cleavage of her blouse/shirt would never be allowed. Other than that I must say your art style is very beautiful and interesting!!!!

Azhood Gan adoo Libaye!

[dT]

I could definitely be wrong here ... but I thought there was one photo which included Lozen. She is not easily visible - but a little bit. It happened when the people captured with Geronimo were shipped by train to the east. They are sitting together in the photo, and Lozen is there. I will see if i can dig up the reference.

Please correct me if I am wrong about this.

dT

[kayitah]

I guess you mean this photo...

It was long thought that this woman is Lozen, but in fact it is Bi-ya-ne-ta, Perico's wife. Lozen was probably sent to Florida with Loco's group or another man's band living on the San Carlos Reservation at the time, since she wasn't with the last group that surrendered to General Miles on September 4, 1886 at Skeleton Canyon.

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[dT]

kayitah ... thanks. I think you must be right. that is probably where I saw that information.

I have long wondered why Geronimo surrendered everybody in his group when he signed the papers for General Miles. Or I suppose you could say - why did they all surrender with Geronimo? If I had been in Geronimo's shoes, I would have given every warrior the chance to surrender or escape - based on their own decision. You have to wonder why some did not escape and take their own trail? Miles would never have caught them all - if they had separated.

But perhaps there were circumstances then that we don't understand now.

[jasper4]

Aug 6, 2012 18:22:52 GMT -5 kayitah said:

I guess you mean this photo...

It was long thought that this woman is Lozen, but in fact it is Bi-ya-ne-ta, Perico's wife. Lozen was probably sent to Florida with Loco's group or another man's band living on the San Carlos Reservation at the time, since she wasn't with the last group that surrendered to General Miles on September 4, 1886 at Skeleton Canyon.

it is not wife of perico and Lozen didnot and would not go to san carlos as many NDE hated the very place as did others and this is well known amongst the OKLA NDE or warmsprings or chinende as Lozen was part of that band. The pic is Lozen and I have it on first person knowledge of her appearance as all were rounded up and sent to fla and then ala where she died in ala of tb

[dT]

as far as that photo goes - one thing that does support the possibility that the image is Lozen ... is that she does appear to be beautiful. And that is consistent with all the legends about Lozen. I am just going from memory, but wasn't Lozen directly related to Victorio? Perhaps his sister or cousin? I wondered sometimes why Lozen did not find a husband amongst the warriors who were with this band. But maybe her direct relationship with Victorio - meant that no-one felt comfortable being close to her. Or perhaps her special gifts (such as predicting the movement of enemies) meant that she was held in special high esteem - and hence beyond normal relationships.