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Post by Istick Bi Tu on Jan 20, 2015 16:29:56 GMT -5
Good luck, with sunrise dance season around the corner, me and my girlfriend will probably start getting busy with Apache buckskin outfits, campdresses, and moccasins. We already have a person coming from Camp Verde for a buckskin outfit.
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Post by dT on Jan 22, 2015 14:31:14 GMT -5
Istick bi tu ... I may be interested in buying a buckskin outfit soon. It's not for myself - for a friend. It would be relatively simple in design, not as fancy as the clothes used in Powwows and Rendezvous meetings. Do you have a Web site ... maybe you can share the link here.
dT
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Post by Istick Bi Tu on Jan 22, 2015 15:51:50 GMT -5
No I don't, this will be our first outfit and the customer will be providing everything. Kind of nervous but I'm sure it will all come out.
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Post by dT on Jan 23, 2015 0:21:10 GMT -5
good luck!
dT
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Post by prettyeagle on May 26, 2015 5:33:33 GMT -5
Dear Istick Bi Tu I am Apache and I live in California.I am going to get married the Native Way and would like to make a camp dress. I have the leather to put over the dress. Is there a pattern for the camp dress. How much would you charge to make a camp dress? I know how to make the skirt but do not know how to make the top. I am also very interested in a pair of high top moccasin with the top guard. Please contact me at my email for more private conversation. Email is. Marlaford12@yahoo.com. Thank you
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Post by dT on May 27, 2015 14:27:14 GMT -5
PrettyEagle - Congratulations on your marriage that is coming up, and Welcome to the forum. I sent you a message. I hope that you find the Native clothes that you are looking for. Good luck!
dT
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Post by WhiteMountainApache on Aug 17, 2015 12:01:58 GMT -5
It's somewhat offensive to read a post where the original poster is reaching out for help and when they do not receive the kind of help they are looking for, they bash a group of people collectively. I'm all for people having their own opinions, but how ignorant to base such a harsh opinion on the attitude of seven individuals. First off, you're reaching out to complete strangers so it makes sense that some of them did not reply. I don't even answer my phone if I don't recognize the number calling. Second, most moccasins are commissioned for a special occasion, not for sale to some stranger overseas. I've never heard of moccasins or buckskins being made on the WMAT reservation because they look nice and someone simply wants them though they will serve no purpose. Most are made for celebrations like sunrise dances where they will be worn and used purposely. Lastly, as for the design and pattern of them being a secret to some and why it's "that big of a deal" ask yourself, if your family handed down a recipe through generations and generations then one day, someone over the internet asked for that recipe, how keen would you yourself be on giving that up? Our children are becoming more and more influenced by mainstream culture and less so than their own. Our language is dying, our beliefs are dying, our stories, songs, traditions and culture are dying. We're reduced to just a small fraction of land that we can call our own. Everything has slowly been taken from the native people so is it really too much to ask for to want to keep somethings to ourselves? Maybe I'll leave from this post with the single impression I got from you that all people from the UK are culture-less intruders bent on stealing the knowledge of others; but I am not so small minded to base my opinion on all from the single lowly opinion of one.
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 17, 2015 12:43:17 GMT -5
Thank you. I totally agree to your words.
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Post by ellic on Aug 18, 2015 15:32:41 GMT -5
thanks to all who ansswer our post on app ac mon we ave a lott of trouble with cpmputerfs c and can not answer all the time no disrest to an nation
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Post by dT on Aug 20, 2015 22:24:01 GMT -5
WhiteMountainApache .... RESPECT to you for your great efforts to continue your culture and to keep it alive. you are right - these days many tribes are having difficulty to continue their culture and their traditional language. Young people are attracted by the Internet and cell phones, and they look for job with more money in the city. So it is difficult to convince young people to spend the large amount of time to stay with their culture, and to learn the traditions.
Best wishes to all Apaches and Native Americans who make the great effort to continue their customs!
dT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 16:43:49 GMT -5
White Mountain Apache ... I appreciate that you mentioned i was reaching out for help , as this is true. Im just very disappointed hardly anyone ever even replies to my emails / messages. Here in the UK its considered good manners to at least reply to someone when they write to you. And its not as if ive only written to a few Apaches over a week or two , this has been ongoing for several years with very very few replies. The seven Apaches i wrote to was all written to in just one day. It would be nice to at least receive a reply , but theres nothing. Im taking the time and trouble to write to them , they could at least have the good manners to reply. I dont ignore people when they write to me .. And as for you saying " Moccasins have to be commissioned ? " .. Then why are they for sale at The Pickle Barrell Trading Post in Arizona in different sizes , beaded and unbeaded to anyone who wants to buy a pair And the truth is ' Yes! I did have a pair made by a White Mountain Apache , and I was a stranger to him at the time but he saw what id written on a website and offered to make me a pair. Yes ! I am English and no it wasnt for a special occasion either. So some of what you have written above is untrue. I can show you pics of the mocs he made for me if you still think theyre only made for special occasions , and not to strangers over seas as you said. And as for Uk people being Cultureless intruders bent on stealing as you say ' .. werent the Apache People raiders and thieves in the old times, they stole from other native peoples , Mexican and white people. The Apaches raided and took children and brought them up as their own in the tribe. And before you even try to say thats not true you might want to do some research and see the proof for yourself .. there is photographic proof of a white boy captive in raggy clothes who was kidnapped and brought up by Apaches. The photo is taken in their camp of wickiups with other apaches in the photo. Some apaches have claimed to me to be full bloods , yet how can this be proved when there was this kidnapping of children from other nations and brought up as apache ? There were no Birth certs to prove they really are full bloods. I have been interested in the Apache people all my life since i was a kid , I am now almost 48 yrs old and still interested in them , just very disappointed at the way i am being treated , being ignored by most , promised help by a few ' only to be let down yet again. I have been ripped off by a woman at Mescalero $438 for a pair of beaded mocs to be made for me , that i never got. Postage was included in the price $72.50 or so she claimed ' and you rabbit on about why i am upset ... Wouldnt you be upset if you had been ripped off ' ignored and spoken to badly , treated badly by the people you had grown up to have alot of respect for and interest in ? As ive said before none of the Apaches ive contacted seem to have a Bank Account and its difficult to deal with a stranger who is asking for full payment to be made upfront to get the supplies needed. But she seemed very nice , and we became good friends - or so i thought at the time. As soon as she got my money all the daily messages stopped! and i never heard from her again for 7 months and only then after having written the tribal president at the time. Im not a rich person , just an ordinary person trying to live from week to week same as most here. I dont know these people who they are in their community or if i can honestly trust them when ive paid them for the item to be made. How do i know who i can trust ? when none of you seem to have bank accounts and all are claiming theyre not thieves. Im just saying " its very difficult to order a pair of Moccasins or whatever from a Tribal craftsperson when they havent even got a Bank Account and your just taking them at their word that you can trust them. And i am sincerely very sorry that your people and other native Americans have had so much taken from them. I do think it is awfull that this kind of thing is still happening today when people should be learning from the mistakes of the past. I do think they should be trying in some way at least to give back to you what has been taken. I have seen on the Internet about mining and land taken at Oak Flat and i think its disgusting that in this day and age theyre still taking more from the Apache people. It is very sad and i am very sorry for that. When i first posted for help making the moccasins , it wasnt just to learn to make them .. I also was hoping to make some Apache Friends along the way. I am being very sincere with you about that. I just wish people would reply to me when i message them , it would mean alot to me, but sadly hardly anyone replies and yet again im disappointed and left feeling ignored and yet again i have wasted my time writing to them in the first place. I am very sorry that your Traditions, crafts , songs , dances and language are dying. That really is a very great loss and a very said thing to hear. I love to see the Apache Gaan Dancers on Utube dancing , and also the sunrise ceremony. As i cant get there its nice to be able to see the videos posted on Utube. I am very truely and sincerely very interested in your people , I just wish they came accross as being more friendly as in replying to me. Like i said it would mean the world to me , but they dont seem to understand that. You say your culture is dying ? but why dont they have certain days at the schools where they teach all these traditional things , crafts , songs , dances , language to try anf help keep the traditions alive. I love to hear the Apache language being spoken , to see the dances , to hear the traditional songs being sung and the beat of the Apache Drums. I dont mean that as some Foreign tourist' but i mean it very sincerely. I did make some Apache Style Moccasins and i dont think theyre too bad or far from the real thing. I did not learn from any Apache how to make them , and i surprised myself as to how they turned out. Im not sure if i can post photos here , if i can i will. Or I could send you some top look at ' if your interested. Even if i dont get any help from any Apache on how theyre made the correct way ' i will continue to make and bead them my way. Im not someone pretending to be Apache, I am very Proud to be English as is anyone else of theyre Nation or Culture. I would like to wish you the very best in life and that your culture realises what a great loss it would be to them as Apache People and to the rest of the world to let your Traditions die. Be Proud of who you are as Apaches ... And please try to be friendly to others who really are very sincere and holding theyre hand out in friendship.
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 24, 2015 17:18:30 GMT -5
Well, if you always write in the same manner you write here it is no wonder that no one replies.
Hands up, I want to be your friend!
However, I know where this argument leads to, so please refrain from answering or I´ll have to delete.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 20:29:32 GMT -5
These are the pair of Apache Style moccasins I made myself .. No one showed me how to make them.
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 25, 2015 15:27:13 GMT -5
Deflection and ultracrepidarian noted by your diatribe on how your the victim. I am Chiricahua of the Warmsprings band of southwest new mexico. I am Chihenne not apache. I say this display of white entitlement is offensive, yet you will never understand why. I AM SORRY TO THIS BOARD FOR MY RANT.
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Post by dT on Aug 25, 2015 22:26:38 GMT -5
Jasper4 - Greetings Brother. Yes, it takes a long time for people to understand. And a lot of people never understand. But be encouraged - some folks DO understand eventually. It just takes time.
I will be going to the Sacred Places soon to pray. It is a personal trip. I like to go to those traditional lands when the thunderstorms come. That is a special time for me. I will say prayers for you, Brother!!!
dT
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