Carlisle's Students

[bobby]

Jun 15, 2011 14:15:46 GMT -5 coeurrouge said:

The younger girls who surrendered with Geronimo were a baby of 2 or 3 years old, Leosanni, 6 years, Oh-Kis-Say 14-17 years and Nochlon 14 years. So on the photo, the one I Identified as Leosanni was the only to correspond at this age.
So I am quite sure she was Leosanni.

According to "The Executive Documents of the Senate of the United States
for the second session of the forty-ninth Congress",
and "Women of the Apache Nation: Voices of Truth" by H. Henrietta Stockel
Chappo's wife (Nohchlon) was about sixteen and Tissnolthtos's wife was about fourteen.

I think that Os-kis-say (blue dot) and Leosanni (red dot) may be on the photo
on the right (Fort Bowie).

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[bobby]

Lorenzo Bonito/Bonds (buried at Carlisle), son of Bonito.

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[bobby]

I think, it's Thomas Pel-coy when he arrived at Carlisle (April 30, 1887).

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[bobby]

I'm not 100 % sure, but it could be Sam Kenoi.

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[bobby]

Mabel Nahdoyah is on the left, but which one is Rachel Tsikahda,
because there have been different opinions on the forum,
and I'm confused.

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[bobby]

I'm not sure if those girls were in the group which arrived at Carlisle April 30 1887, but I think that they could be Effie Pontzke.

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[bobby]

...and Maggie Pontzke.

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[naiches2]

Hi bobby, where you are?

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[jeroen]

Not taken at Carlisle but at Fort Sill:

[Mithlo]

Jeanette (Pa-gust-tet-ahn) Russel and Dorothy (Dekh-liksch) Naiche

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[Mithlo]

Charles Istee, Vincent Nantalish, and Gail Marko

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[bobby]

Apr 2, 2012 12:04:53 GMT -5 Mithlo said:

Charles Istee, Vincent Nantalish, and Gail Marko

So, Mithlo, I was perfectly right, that's Vincent Natalish (Nah-tail-eh) (Reply #150 on Jun 7, 2011)

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[coeurrouge]

Jun 4, 2011 5:14:41 GMT -5 sasja said:

Eva Anosien?

Who were her parents ?

[Mithlo]

One of my favorite photos of Chief Chihuahua taken at Carlisle Indian School with daughter Ramona and other female relative students.

The thing is, I have never heard of Chihuahua having ever left Mt. Vernon Barracks on a trip anywhere, so when did he make such a trip? Did others accompany him to Carlisle, interpreters, other leading men, or even other family members?

Does anyone know about this trip?

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[kayitah]

Thanks for that very nice photograph of chief Chihuahua and his daughter Ramona.

Here is what I have about Chihuahua visiting Carlisle Indian School:

I also know that somehow stone-cold killers like Chihuahua became something else, once the fighting stopped. In 1894, at Mount Vernon Barracks in Mobile, Ala., where the Apaches had been moved after Florida and where they were dying in extraordinary numbers, they spoke to their old adversary-friend, Captain Marion Maus, begging to be moved somewhere healthier. Chihuahua told Maus: "I want to follow in your footsteps. [If] you want me to have a wife and to have children, put me in a good place where there are trees, good grass and water." Chihuahua also spoke of the Apache children, away at school: "I went to Carlisle (Pa.) and saw them and it made my heart feel good to see them on the white man's road and that is why I want a piece of it," he said. "I want to have things growing. I want the wind to blow on me just as it blows on everybody else. I want the sun to shine on me and the moon just as on everybody else. I want you to look at me and see that I am not what I was when you saw me before."

Source: www.hikingapacheria.com/historical_chihuahua.html

To me, Eagan's writing stylie is a bit - let's say 'melodramatic'. Calling Chihuahua a 'stone-cold killer' is just very insensitive and far from the truth, but there's still a lot of valuable information on his website.