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Post by coeurrouge on May 16, 2011 14:58:17 GMT -5
For me your man with the gun is this man that I believe to be Mothsos. Attachments:
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Post by bobby on May 16, 2011 20:31:57 GMT -5
charlie in Subject "Geronimo" (Reply #64) wrote: "Jeroen: about your Apache group image (above Chato) i have these identifications: from L to R: Tissnolthos - Yanozha - She Gha (third Geronimo's wife) - Zhonne - Kaytah - Martine - Kanseah - Laziyah (Nahbay's brother)." I wonder about the identification of Laziyah. I would suggest this man looks more like Chappo. What do you think ? Attachments:
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Post by bobby on May 16, 2011 20:34:45 GMT -5
ON THE LEFT SIDE: In my opinion that's the same man on all of the photos, but I'm not sure if that's Nilosh, because I don't have a good quality pic for comparison. ON THE RIGHT SIDE: I would say these are all Nahbay's photos. Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on May 17, 2011 11:51:22 GMT -5
I almost agree about all what you wrote, Bobby, except about this photo. For several people here, we have Nahbay on left and Laziyah on right. Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on May 17, 2011 13:20:44 GMT -5
Bobby, it is obviously Chappo, the earlier identification as Laziyah is wrong (it was suggested because of caption on a copy of this photograph). Also, I agree with coeurrouge about the train photo showing Nahbay (left) and Laziyah at right.
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Post by bobby on May 17, 2011 15:41:50 GMT -5
Oops, my bad  of course Nahbay is on the left. Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on May 18, 2011 12:16:42 GMT -5
We identified Pelcoy and Alchintoyeh. But who were the other kids on this photo. I think the kid on left was a mexican captive, no? Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on May 18, 2011 12:17:39 GMT -5
Of course, Garditha with the bow.
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Post by bobby on May 18, 2011 13:06:46 GMT -5
On Sept. 11, 1885, Jimmy "Santiago" McKinn (center), who lived with his family in the lower Mimbres Valley, was abducted by Chiricahua Apaches led by Geronimo. His older brother Martin was killed. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 18, 2011 17:57:18 GMT -5
We identified Pelcoy and Alchintoyeh. But who were the other kids on this photo. I think the kid on left was a mexican captive, no? Pelcoy? Which one's him? |
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Post by coeurrouge on May 19, 2011 12:06:05 GMT -5
The one behind Jimmy McKin. Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on May 19, 2011 12:17:50 GMT -5
I ask myself who was Neschila? She was presented as a widow related to Dos-Te-Seh, then she was also related to Mangas. My conclusion is that she was certainly a Chihenne. If so I supposed she fled of San Carlos with Mangas and her husband with her. She seems very happy on photos on april 1886, meaning she enjoyed to see again a beloved one. And the only Chihenne warrior surrendering with Nana was Nezulkide. It just an idea but I think Neschila was the wife of Nezulkide perhaps by a second marriage. I believe too that the Nednis who escaped with Nat-Cul-Baye were all from his family or from Ejonah's. I think that Nahbay, Laziyah, Nezegochin, Kildighai were cousins, nephews, sons, son-in-law, brother-in-law or nephew-in-law of Nat-Cul-Baye or his wife. If somebody can help me to determine that, I will thank him, her or them. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on May 19, 2011 15:29:11 GMT -5
I ask myself who was Neschila? She was presented as a widow related to Dos-Te-Seh, then she was also related to Mangas. My conclusion is that she was certainly a Chihenne. If so I supposed she fled of San Carlos with Mangas and her husband with her. She seems very happy on photos on april 1886, meaning she enjoyed to see again a beloved one. And the only Chihenne warrior surrendering with Nana was Nezulkide. It just an idea but I think Neschila was the wife of Nezulkide perhaps by a second marriage. I believe too that the Nednis who escaped with Nat-Cul-Baye were all from his family or from Ejonah's. I think that Nahbay, Laziyah, Nezegochin, Kildighai were cousins, nephews, sons, son-in-law, brother-in-law or nephew-in-law of Nat-Cul-Baye or his wife. If somebody can help me to determine that, I will thank him, her or them. Neschilla is probably Nah-Zis-Eh, one of Ulzana's wifes. Look at the Chihuahua and Ulzana's Article, Reply #15 |
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Post by bobby on May 19, 2011 15:31:30 GMT -5
Zoom of Nes-chila. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 19, 2011 16:38:31 GMT -5
She could be the widow of Chinche or She-neah...
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of course Nahbay is on the left.
