swa562
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Post by swa562 on Sept 29, 2012 11:45:14 GMT -5
William Alchesay (May 17, 1853 - August 6, 1928) He received the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1875 for his service during the Apache Wars. Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Oct 26, 2012 11:46:47 GMT -5
Skin tin day, identified as a scout and medicine man:  |
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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 3, 2013 15:26:09 GMT -5
Wow you guys have great pictures on here.. I am trying to help my friend look into her ancestry. She is a White Mountain Apache. I have been on ancestry.com and other sites trying to find any info I can for her. I was wondering if any of you know about John Dazen of the White Mountain tribe. I read somewhere that he was a chief. Some of the other ones I'm looking for info on are of the last names Thompson, Cosen, Riley/Friday. If anyone can help me would you please email me or reply back.. Thank you so much. & for posting such great pics.
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Post by mystic3335 on Mar 23, 2014 15:04:47 GMT -5
Hello, My name is Mike and I am new to the forum. Hello to everyone. I am very interested in the Apache and especially the Apache scouts that worked with the Army to find other Apaches with Geronimo. I have recently been able to add to my collection a very very rare cabinet card of the great Apache scout and MOH recipient Chiquito and his wife. In all my years I have never seen or found a from life image of Chiquito. I have been friends for years with a well known collector who had the image in his personal collection and was very grateful that he has allowed me to add it to mine. It is the prize of my collection. Not only have I never seen another view of Chiquito, but Native American MOH recipient's during the Apache Wars in cabinet card format are nearly impossible to find. It is also wonderful that Chiquito is along side his wife. Later this week I hope to post the image. I hope to hear from all of you and I look forward to learning from you. Thank You for your time. Mike
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Post by real on Sept 4, 2014 0:05:38 GMT -5
William Alchesay (May 17, 1853 - August 6, 1928) He received the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1875 for his service during the Apache Wars. |
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Post by real on Sept 4, 2014 0:08:10 GMT -5
William Alchesay (May 17, 1853 - August 6, 1928) He received the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1875 for his service during the Apache Wars. they should of cut these traders throats. Mickey free should have been to his drunk dad or chucked off a canyon wall |
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Post by dT on Sept 9, 2014 12:35:54 GMT -5
Mystic ... Mike ... please be aware that the situation during the "Apache Wars" was complicated. Very early in the Apache Wars, while the Civil War was raging in the USA, the Apaches dominated the landscape entirely. It was completely unsafe for white people to travel across southern Arizona, and there are (true) stories of the Apaches conducting raids even as far as the outer suburbs of Tucson. Later, after the war, Crook showed up and first subdued the White Mountain Apaches. His tactics were bitter and cruel .. the people were cornered and killed in caves during the Winter. But war is often a bitter and cruel affair. Later, some members of the White Moutain Apaches chose to serve as Scouts for the Army ... especially when they were hunting "renegades" like Geronimo and Ulzana.
This role of using some Apaches against other Apaches - is still controversial to this day. But it was a tactic that was common by the US Army back then. It was also used widely in other battles. For example, Custer had scouts from the Crows and the Arikara when he marched towards the Battle of the Little Bighorn) against the Lakotas and Cheyenne. And still recently ... the US Army used some people in Iraq to inform and fight against other people in Iraq. It is exactly the same tactic - "divide and conquer". But the roles of who-did-what remain controversial, especially amongst Apaches who follow the traditonal ways today.
It is estimated that perhaps 5,000 people died in the entire Apache Wars. That figure is often overlooked - but there was a lot of killing that went on.
Pete (dT)
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Post by waganari on Oct 19, 2014 15:49:58 GMT -5
 Kaytah and Nahteen - Apache Scouts who were with General Lawton |
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Post by jasper4 on Oct 30, 2014 11:24:22 GMT -5
Kaytah and Nahteen - Apache Scouts who were with General Lawton Error it is Kayitah and Martine and the general was Miles a liar, |
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Post by jasper4 on Oct 30, 2014 11:28:09 GMT -5
Mystic ... Mike ... please be aware that the situation during the "Apache Wars" was complicated. Very early in the Apache Wars, while the Civil War was raging in the USA, the Apaches dominated the landscape entirely. It was completely unsafe for white people to travel across southern Arizona, and there are (true) stories of the Apaches conducting raids even as far as the outer suburbs of Tucson. Later, after the war, Crook showed up and first subdued the White Mountain Apaches. His tactics were bitter and cruel .. the people were cornered and killed in caves during the Winter. But war is often a bitter and cruel affair. Later, some members of the White Moutain Apaches chose to serve as Scouts for the Army ... especially when they were hunting "renegades" like Geronimo and Ulzana. This role of using some Apaches against other Apaches - is still controversial to this day. But it was a tactic that was common by the US Army back then. It was also used widely in other battles. For example, Custer had scouts from the Crows and the Arikara when he marched towards the Battle of the Little Bighorn) against the Lakotas and Cheyenne. And still recently ... the US Army used some people in Iraq to inform and fight against other people in Iraq. It is exactly the same tactic - "divide and conquer". But the roles of who-did-what remain controversial, especially amongst Apaches who follow the traditonal ways today. It is estimated that perhaps 5,000 people died in the entire Apache Wars. That figure is often overlooked - but there was a lot of killing that went on. Pete (dT) General Crook knew to catch a apache you had to use an apache. Besides many of the tribes within the nation really did not like each other too much. I agree with post by my friend Pete. |
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Post by waganari on Oct 30, 2014 14:39:00 GMT -5
Jasper, the caption beneath the picture I posted is from the book: Geronimo's Story of his Life. They are not my words and Lawton was a captain, not a general. The less said about Miles, the better. His words are bad medicine. His actions, despicable. |
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Post by kayitah on Oct 30, 2014 14:53:42 GMT -5
In the above photo, Martine is on the left (wearing his jacket open), Kayitah on the right.
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Post by jasper4 on Oct 31, 2014 13:03:09 GMT -5
Kayitah enjun
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Post by kayitah on Jan 23, 2015 21:05:02 GMT -5
Peaches, also known as Pa-nayo-tisha or Tzo-ay, 'Coyote Saw Him'  |
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Post by dT on Feb 18, 2015 0:30:20 GMT -5
tiswin .. there is more to that story. but it is not shared.
It was always surprising to me that all of the band that was with Geronimo when he surrendered ... actually did turn themselves in. If the warriors had all split up and gone in many different directions - then only a few would have been caught or killed. Maybe some did do that, and it was never revealed.
About Miles - "His words are bad medicine. His actions, despicable."
amen!!!
dT
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