Nedni chief Juh

[coeurrouge]

If Juh and Mangas were cousins, it meens that Mangas' mother was a sister of Juh's father or mother. I think Mangas' mother was a younger sister of Lacéres, Juh's father.

It would explain why during the 1840's and 1850's decades, Lacéres took refuge near Mangas Coloradas when he was in big trouble with the Chihuahua State. It would also explain how Juh and Goyakla, Geronimo - El Cautivo (I still convince that the two were Goyakla), met and why the Bedonkohe under Mangas Coloradas were the Nedni when Carrasco attacked them near Janos in march 1851.

[jasper4]

Edwin R. Sweeney feels that a better case can be made for this unlikeable fellow having been an Indian known as El Cautivo, who was regarded by Cochise as an important advisor and translator (El Cautivo in Spanish means "the captive" -- he was once captured by Mexicans and had mastered their language). Geronimo's discontent with the Americans and the reservation system did not flower until after Cochise died and the Chiricahua Reservation was closed, and his personal involvement with Cochise, while not well documented in any sense, was most likely as an on-again off-again band member, as Geronimo had more a history with Mangas Coloradas (Cochise's father-in-law) than with Cochise.

[April]

Hey guys I need help I am trying to find any info I can on Alope she was Geronimo's first wife and was believed to be from the Nedni apache tribe can anyone point me in the right direction PLEASE?

[Ebby]

Nov 12, 2012 8:14:15 GMT -5 RomsD said:

Can anyone tell me which year Ishton was born, and when she dies?
I cannot find it on the net.
Daklugie of course tells the dramatic story of the mexican attack where she was killed to Eve Ball, but no year or date is given (?) ?
I understand the attack must have been in the early 1880'ies.

I could tell you but it would best to contact me in reference to this subject. My family closely guard out heritage and all information as to our family and ancestors. [e-mail]

[Ebby]

Oct 24, 2016 20:23:25 GMT -5 April said:

Hey guys I need help I am trying to find any info I can on Alope she was Geronimo's first wife and was believed to be from the Nedni apache tribe can anyone point me in the right direction PLEASE?

Alope was Nednehi Mimbreno Chiricahua Apache. she was Geronimo's first wife and had three children. she, Geronimo's mother and all three children along with more than 50 other women and children were massacred by Mexican Soldiers while Geronimo and many others were trading goods at the Mexican Village of Janos. (an you wonder why Geronimo hated the Mexicans?)

[dT]

I dont know much about Juh. BUT he ruled his Apache band in a great and powerful place. From the photos, he looks like he was a very strong warrior. And I think there were good reasons why Geronimo went down there sometimes, and why Geronimo refused to be confined on the reservation. So thank you for sharing these things.

dT

[natethegreat]

As a young warrior, Juh roamed through the Nednhi strongholds of the Sierra Madre. Raiding several different peoples. He often traveled North to the Bedonkohe Gila River stronghold and the Mogollan Rim area, where Chief Mangas Coloradas and Chief Black Knife were the leaders. He often joined Geronimo and other young Chiricahua warriors on raids and skirmishes throughout Apacheria and Northern Mexico. Juh and Geronimo were close friends. This is why Juh and is Nednhis came to the aid of Mangas Coloradas and Cochise during the Battle of Pinos Altos and Apache Pass. Even after the death of Cuchillo Negro. In the 1840's and 1850's, well before the U.S. entered the area. Young Juh and Young Geronimo were going out with Apache war parties mastering their skills that would become legendary later on.

Juh seemed to have risen to a prominent leadership role as a young man. He was Chief of the Nednhis in the Sierra Madre from a young age. He commanded hundreds of warriors and expertly deployed his braves in many situations. Juh's band of warriors were feared and roamed across Sonora and Chihuahua. Juh is a big reason why Geronimo evaded capture so many times. In my opinion there is only one man who ranks above Juh when it comes to Apache commanders. His name is Victorio.

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[natethegreat]

A key note in Juhs life was a few months before his death, his base camp deep in the Sierra Madre was unexpectedly found by Mexican soldiers with Tarahumaran Indian scouts. Geronimo and his warriors were gone raiding. It was just Juh and a handful of his men, and their families. The Mexicans were looking for the peopkle responsible for raids that had been happening in the area. It was Geronimo who was responsible, and Juh paid the price.

During this attack, Juh lost multiple children and all of his wives. Most of his men died fighting while the women and children did the best they could to escape. Juh's son Daklugie in his book, says that Juh never recovered from this, and Juh died a few months later by getting drunk and riding his horse off a cliff into a river and drowned. He died with a broken heart. It was due to Geronimo and his raids in the area that Juh's camp was found. It was a complete surprise. R.I.P. Chief Juh.

[Guest]

Daklugie said in Eve Ball's book that his father Juh was not drunken when he fell off his horse. maybe it was a heart attack.

[guest]

It was January 24 1883 at 5 a.m. when M. Dominguez ordered the Tarahumaras to attack Juh´s camp located in the Sa´tachi river. The apaches got out of their wikiups but they could not face those well armed hundred men.
Along the three and a half hours of fighting, 12 Apache were killed and scalped, and around 30 women and children captured.
Chief Juh lost his wife, a little baby, his daughter Jacali´s husband and one grandchild(?) Daklugie, Delzhinne, Daklegon and Jacali survived. If I’m not wrong, Gero´s two wifes and children were captured being that fact the beginning of the distancing of both leaders.
Many years later Daklugie told Eve Ball that he never recovered from that attack. Being so affected, he decided to go back to the place he had been born: Mexico.
On September 21, 1883 he was riding along the Casas Grandes River when he fell off his horse falling unconscious. Daklugie reported later that Juh together with chief Ponce used to drink but he assures that that day he was sober. It seems that his three sons and Ponce were with him when he died never knowing if the cause was a heart attack or a direct consequence of the fall.

[coeurrouge]

Ponce junior was killed in 1880 fighting and died with Victorio.

[Nahi]

.Yes, yes sorry, Ponce son of Jose Maria Ponce died in Terrazas massacre at Tres Castillos. But Daklugie told to Eve Ball as shown in Indeh, that when Ponce and his warriors arrived where Juh lied, he was still breathing. In fact even if it is not in the book, he added that Juh and Ponce used to rotate to drink and that that day, Juh was sober.
I think he was just trying to protect his father figure. He told about this facts many years later but I believe he did not invent them as was told, he probably did not remember those facts accurately. In fact when I read it first, I though that he could have confused Ponce with his brother Chinche who did survive Tres Castillos and was alive when Juh died, dying in 1886 (March if I'm not wrong). Of course, it's just a free supposition that could be wrong.

[coeurrouge]

Surely, he was maybe Chinche. I think the son tried to protect Father's memory. I think Juh in desperation, drunk to forget his band was destroy and his power let him down. This tragic day he knew the captives would never come back. I think he drunk to much tring to do a crazy thing with his horse and failed mortally or he commited suicide, but I didn't believe that even the time was very desperate for him.

Juh was always straight of his way of life : living in Mexico, in the beloved Sierra Madre and fight the hatred Mexicans.

[juan]

Hello
Question i read in a book called (Coyame) in chich m. Mexico written by Rene Franco Aguilar where Juh was going to talk to one of the Mexican generals and give himself up and his wife’s surrounded him near a ledge near casas grandes chich. Mexico and he saw an opening between the wife’s and he was riding a mule and he could not see beyond his wife’s there was a ledge and him and the mule went down the mountain where he fell he was still alive were they found him but soon died and his widows mourned for him cut their hair short turned themselves in the general did not believe them when he asked for a translator where he found out about the death of juh their husband no telling if this is the truth.